Powerful Changing Magnetic Field Generator - Can It Influence Human Cells Activity?

Generally, MRI scanning doesn't, with personal experience included in that generalisation.

Thank you for your answer! MRI is generating static magnetic field, changing magnetic field or both ?

thx st

Generally.. I don't know if you anyone picked up this awful story. A lesson to learn.

Man sucked into MRI

In this particular case, it is not the case JE. yous saw the setups 3 V dc motor, 26 mm neodymum magnet sphere......they are presented in the first post.

thx st

In that particular case, it wasn't the interaction of the magnetic field with the biology, it was the interaction of the magnetic field with an unexpected metal object that got damaged that caused the problem with the biology.

From personal experience, all jewellery, watches, metal-rimmed glasses, coins, etc., become locked away elsewhere before entering the room.

The version of that story I read indicated that the victim had been told that the MRI was turned off -- otherwise he would not have been carrying an O₂ tank. Terrible story. If that happened in the US lawyers would already be involved.

I read that version too -- sad. My mother has worked in radiology for decades and assures me that MRI machines are very, very rarely actually off. Permanent magnet scanners, by definition, are ALWAYS on.

I did read that story. From the article I saw, the hospital worker told him he could go in there with an oxygen tank.

A magnetic field must be pulsed to measurably affect human cells. As with all stimulation devices including TMS, a pulse generator is necessary, to affect cells at a depth of 1.5-2 cm (maximum 5-6 cm).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation

Secondly, the pulse parameters (width, shape etc) also determine the effects of the treatment. So the forefront of TMS development is focused on better designs for variable pulse parameters. For example see this article and others in the sidebar:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697055/

Since I don't see any reference to a pulse generator in your specs, I would not expect your device to have a measurable effect on human cells.

Thank you for your opinion. I tested the device. It is working 100 %. with the setups mentioned in the first paragraph.

For example using coils iron less, and a bulb 230 V, and related setups.....

(the strenght of the magnetic field created by the spinning neo sphere make the 75 W bulb glow

.....)

Oh pardon me! I didn't realize your question was about making a lightbulb glow. I thought you were intending it to influence human cells.

Rest assured, you can use it to power a lightbulb without any worries about affecting the humans in proximity.

it was a test regarding the strenght of the magnetic flux created by the neodymium sphere........I assure it is influence 100 % the cells activity. Instead wires we have cells.....

You can't reasonably make that claim without test results that substantiate an effect on human cells. If there is any science on cellular effects of similar magnetic field generators, please link us up.

OTOH the whining noise reminiscent of a dental drill does seem to have affected my nervous system just by watching the video.

Agree with the noice ;) from the movie.

I assure you the presented device asembled with China manufactered cheap components can influence the human body cells activity

if the distance between the chest and the spinning sphere is between 3 and 7 cm the effect is maximum..... I claim only the simple device (I am a practical person for me only results matters) the research in this field is for a long long time ago but everybody is thinking in the money direction or fame (not in this particular case)

also is very useful in bone panes.....

As I commented below, I am unclear about the description and specs you listed, whether the field generated by the device has a sinusoidal frequency and therefore equivalent to a pulse frequency in having (potentially significant) biological effects. If so, the question for therapeutic applications is whether the frequency, waveform and amplitude is suitable for the intended purpose. Otherwise the device could be either ineffective or instead, harmful.

Compare for example, the description of a BIOSTIM device for similar purpose which is given here:

"ELF EMF’s were also produced by an apparatus (Biostim Igea, Modena, Italy) used mainly for clinical applications (e.g. accelerate the healing of bone fractures). The generator system supplies a square wave with a maximal applied tension of 180 V, a period of 13.3 ms (75 Hz of frequency), a duty cycle of 10%, to a couple of Helmoltz coils (each with 1000 turns of copper wire of 0.2 mm of diameter) with internal and external diameter of 72.5 and 82.5 mm, respectively. Measurements of the maximal intensity of the magnetic field with a gaussmeter, showed that it was fairly constant midway between the coils, giving values of about 2.5 mT at a distance of 3 cm."

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0148369

Here they are using a frequency of 75 Hz for therapeutic purposes, with a field strength of 2.5 mT at 3 cm distance.

You haven't specified a frequency (other than the mention of high RPMs) and your field strength is listed as 1.22-1.26 T (distance from the device not specified, but much higher than the therapeutic value in a device that has been tested).

Without that information there is no way to judge if your device could be helpful, harmful or neutral.

If there were is an influence.?. I imagine it happens across a broad range of variables.. The numbers it your first paragraph are very precise, but the magnetic sphere is stuck to a lump of metal. That doesn't seem ideal, but does it matter? I'm not sure exactly what's happening here, but it is interesting.

..something to look into

The special magnetic catch designed ( screw pot metal case ) allow me to fix the sphere between the poles (ref to N and S) and it will not move even if I will increase the RPM's

It is very important that the position of metal case (which is conected to the motor ax through a plastic connector) to be between the magnetic poles.

For example In one of my tests using the same setups (refering to the test with the 75 W bulb and coils iron less ) I observed that the position is very important.....(ref N and S)

I consider the human body "a complex chemical battery" and cells = "wires"

lets say the presented device is a kind of " induction human charger"

Can it affect cell activity? Maybe. I'm not volunteering my cells as field coils for your alternator...

:) nobody probably wants this....except I ....which I am looking for results.....

I help people whith pains when the medicine fails.....where is no other options.....I do this for free.....

It is not adresed to healthy people... (this can means unfair sports competitions, etc......) and in time nobody can predict reactions.....

I ve tried to crypt a message in the small ac generator movies (a single person decrypted it) so I said to my self ok ....it will not be easy so here I am

I am the skeptical man on the planet....but the device it works 100 %

Regardless of how noble your intentions are, you might want to check into the legality of what you are proposing...

I'm not sure I understand the device as described...

Would it be correct that the "RPM"s of the device (at a given moment) = the frequency of the (sinusoidal) field?

I do not wish to influence opinions. I will just like to hear them I know that here on Cr4 forum I can have some from prepared people.

ps : when I presented small generator (crypt message) a member said to me Do you know who is your audience ? I sure do.....that is the reason why I am here

thx st

I just don't see any proof here of your claims, only conjecture. Have you actually tested this on real living cells in a controlled environment and monitored the results before and after?

I am assuming this is not based on or tested to anything published in a peer reviewed scientific journal.

I am also assuming you are trying to develop this into some sort of medical device (although it is unclear to me still what your goal is).

What exactly are you trying to achieve again?

Shazam × 3

Hello Jake! My goal is that to help people with pains that is for sure. I am not here to proof anything. I have already tested 386 days...it can be resized and integrated in a case of a smartphone and nobody will observe it......I wish to inform people about the device (it is possible to see unfair sports competitions otherwise.......)

I keep all the details about me private I am just "sciencetoolbar"

I am here for opinions also

regarding editors : In France they have made an experiment, they've took some materials from the famous writer Claude Simon (Nobel Laurate ), and they sent that to famous publishers. One editor said that the book’s “endlessly long sentences completely lose the reader” - to inform the people I consider it more imporant.

They can test it (ref device) if they wish.

;) without revealing my name.

I am in pain on a daily basis. I have arthritis in my back, feet, hands, knees, shoulders and wrists. I will not take opiates because I don't like the way they make me feel and most other meds give me too many side effects.

I have already had surgery on my back and both shoulders.

I will tell you that electronic pain management is already out there, called a TENS unit.

My TENS unit is very effective at relieving pain at least for me, but is only temporary.

Can your contraption help me?

The presented device below it is the basic one. It can be customized for intense efects placing instead 8.000 rpm dc motor a12.000 - 16.000 (ref to dc motor spec. no load) rpm motor in the case you wish a mobile device. Otherwise if the motor resists you can increase amps and voltage (dc) with a source . The exposure should be 5 min in the first day. in the second day 15- 25 A longer exposer at higher rpm.s in combination with a cofee can keep you awake 5 days....I sugest that to be used in the morning. I do not recomand you to use it if you have a medical heart device. If you are epileptic or diabetic you need asistance do not try it when you are home alone. You can customize the device. If you wish to build the device I will help you with all the details - safety is very important so THE CONNECTION AX MOTOR CONECTOR screw pot metal case - neo sphere must be well done

It should help (energy level will go higher) and pains should lose intensity from the first day.

3- 5 cm from the skin surface

non metalic object on you near you...

Are you telling me I need to stay awake for 5 days for this to work?

I quit drinking coffee 7 years ago. I just stick the electrodes on with the TENs unit on and turn it on.

Please explain to me the procedure for me to get your contraption to relieve my pain in detail. Even if I have to build it, I am capable.

no my english is .....bad .....I am teling you that if you will exagerate with the exposure in the FIRST day more than 5 min using a customized device (refering at 12.000 - 18.000 rpms)(instead the one presented in the first post 8000 rpms ) combined with a black steong cofee....it is possible that after the exposure to lose your sleep . That is the reason I recomand to use the device in the morning and if you use to drink cofee in the morning try to drink one with milk (not strong) because is accelerating the processes. The procedure is simple keep it 5 min in the chest area in the first day (refering to the basic device 8000 rpm ) at 4 cm from your skin , than you can easy move the runing device on your body, I do not recomand you to put the device in the head area (I am quite shure it is not dangerous but do not try this) and insists on the local pain surface shoulders, etc 2 or 3 min.) you can customize your device after your needs refering at rpms - you will feel it and you will calibrate it after your body need (referimg at rpm) Repeat the procedure in the morning. I must tell you it creates DEPENDENCE. If you will not feel the efect from the first day increase Rpms (more than 8000)

So I should build this and use it as you prescribe with no testing or data to prove effectiveness or safety?? And I will become depended on it??

I hope you don't think I am that gullible.

Reminds me of snake oil.........

No, Jp, I am not encourage you to build it. You asked and I gave an answer. It is only your decision. You are an enginner. Only you can decide if it is good ideea or a bad one. It was just my point of view. It is considered Abstract this means no one on this Earth can say for the moment if it is good or bad. I do not prescribe. I do not have the power to do this. You can collect all the datas and shareyour opinion. I have the power to decide for me (ref to my person)

That helps clarify things. I don't believe you want to hear our opinions however and are going to proceed regardless, so I will keep mine to myself other than say that the mind and the placebo effect are powerful things.

this time is not placebo jake.....placebo don.t make your hair grow faster......

So it can also make your hair grow faster? The way you keep describing it, it sounds like it can help cure almost everything.

Can you understand our valid scepticism as professional Engineers and Scientists when you post this on a professional Engineering discussion website with no corroborating evidence?

Magnet-based healing devices have been around for many years and I have not seen one proven to actually work. I fail to see how a rotating magnet field as you describe can help so many and different human ailments.

Perhaps you should walk us through exactly what medical conditions it has apparently helped.

if some one wish to ask me something on my email adress is sciencetoolbar@gmail.com I am not seling anything I can ofer only friendly advices. Do not offer money to anyone who is using sciencetoolbar name. I am doing this for free.

Could I ask you something and get an answer here on this thread? Could you please tell us what is the current density or field strength generated by your device?

In the way of friendly advice to all the readers, I will add this information from a reliable source:

http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc69.htm#SectionNumber:8.2

Table 15. Induced current density ranges between 3 and 300 Hz
for producing biological effects
-----------------------------------------------------------
Current density Effects
(mA/m2)
-----------------------------------------------------------
< 1 Absence of established effects
1 - 10 Minor biological effects reported
10 - 100 Well established effects, visual
(magnetophosphenes) and possible nervous
system effects; facilitation of bone
fracture reunion reported
100 - 1000 Changes in central nervous system
excitability established; stimulation
thresholds; possible health hazards
> 1000 Extrasystoles, ventricular fibrillation
possible; definite health hazards

Are you aware of that if I will provide data records from my experiments , I will get more exposure I am triyng to keep my identity private..... if you wish you can replicate it and tell me yours observations opinio s measurments....etc.

ps: I presented the basic device which I consider it a kind of toy (it is in the safety limits)

If you have data that showed it was in the safety limits, why wouldn't you provide that? You just recommended that a forum member with pain should use it in a specific way for relief of pain, not as a toy!

Incidentally, I may be no engineer and long since forgot whatever I learned about electricity and magnetism so many years ago, but I did find eventually the formula to calculate frequency (hz) from the RPMs you recommended to J Pool and number of poles of your device (2 ) :

frequency (hz) = RPM P/120
= 8000 x 2/120 = 133.333 hz
= 12000 X 2/120 = 200 hz
= 18000 X 2/120 = 300 hz

and yes, they are all within the biologically active range noted in the table above.

So considering the specific advice that you gave JPool, to apply it in the chest area, I think it is reasonable to ask exactly where in the safety limits your measurements or calculations put the output of the device.

A safe toy, but you mention it creates dependence to it after use and influences the cells in the human body 100%.

Based on a simple readily obtainable magnet but has numerous health benefits.

You provide enough information for others to reproduce your results but you don't want to tell us yours except in the most vague terms.

You don't want exposure but you intentionally posted your email address.

You sir are a conflict in action. If you don't want to discuss anything or provide enough information to actually help people (as you believe this device can) why are you really here?

Given what you have said above, if we are expected to believe everything you have said do you really expect people to experiment on themselves without further details?

Jake! it is an email adress on google. It is not my email adress from the office.......It is enough that some smart people like you to reproduce it it will be a kind of "myth buster" ( you guys are skeptical like I am) and I am quite shure after you will investigate it (x device is the name.....)you will offer it for free.....and also kindly advices like I do...

I do not encourage people to experiment it. I encourage engineers, researchers, to investigate the simple case of x device!!!!

J Pool is a men with a lot of knowledges like you are Maybe he will discover new things abour x device and improve it .You can consider it a toy.

Try a personal experiment, and publish the results, perhaps?

Hello PWSLACK !

It will be like that : a lot of noise and debates to prove me that I am wrong and is like a tea in the morning nothing special. In the mean time some smart guys will take it and test it improve it, and decide who will acces the x device ( reach people poor people, nobody......., and for that I have to provide my real name, I wish to be invisible, and I wish to see results not volumes and volumes of debates than nothing. I am not interested........I will lose precious time....If you ask me If I will have some curious enginners on my side who will have some personal opinion about X device... exactly like in the television show "The Myth Busters" I will recive opinions and opinion from people which I consider 1000 % more valubles than all existing publications. If they will understand what I am doing they will continue my work (Helping people for free)

Invitation declined.

Some people claim living near high-voltage power lines affects (adversely) human health. That's from varying magnetic and electric fields. If it's true it seems reasonable that your device could have some effects.

Whether it's good or bad is the question.

Hello Code master! we all know the side efects of electromagnetic fields.......But this time it is something else the oposite...I will let the prepared people to evaluate it. Is not adreesed to healthy people why should they try this ? It is adreeseg to inform people as I said regarding unfair sports competitions and it is adress to people with pains when medicine fails to help them. You can look in the direction of a non invasive therapy device. (ref to X device)

But whether it has bad effects (maybe longterm) which outweigh the good ones is the issue IMO.

And if is not ?

Man kind is using mobile phones....waching machines, microwaves, electricity, alchool, cicarets, do not forget the pharmaceutical products, water, cars (ref to the air quality ) .......I can write a novel(ref examples) I consider X device is a toy......if I am looking at that novel....

If it's not what?

Agreed, with all the devices you list, it's a question of benefit vs possible risk.

If no side efects reported on long term....?

Now, what about the special metal case ? ( which alow to fix the sphere between the magnetic poles) ? ( the key element of X device in rest is just a spining magnet)

It is actualy a pot neodymium magnet, but ONLY THE METAL CASE IS NEDDED ( I heat the inside magnet for an easy remove)

For the 26 mm neodymium sphere I used a pot magnet diameter of 16 mm and a stem with an external screw thread.

I WILL KINDLY ASK THE MODERATOR to change in the inital post "13 mm" diameter with 16 mm diameter....

thx

What you are talking about is the reason they don't locate schools or homes within a certain distance of high voltage transmission lines. The alternating magnetic field has been linked to a variety of medical maladies, up to and including cancer. I recall this as one of the environmental panics of the late '60s and '70s. The paths for high voltage power lines typically become "power line parks" or green spaces because people weren't expected to stay in the area long enough to develop problems.

hello ! I am glad you join us ! thx for the opinion. Are you compare xdevice with.....?

thx st

The device generates an alternating magnetic field that will induce electrical currents in electrically conductive tissue. Some feel that magnetic fields can have health benefits while others think there are detrimental effects. I am aware that TENS equipment is built specifically with a balanced AC charge flow to avoid tissue electrolytic effects, similar to the effect of the device being discussed. I suspect the truth will be that there are some benefits and some hazards.

we can say the same about pharma products.....

If you put me to choose between those two I will chose the x device.....

If you really want to help others with a safe and effective device, you have the good fortune that there is a lot of research already available to guide you in that. You can use your intellectual skills to mine the available data ie take advantage of the science already published. As long as you can read and understand, and measure the output of your experimental devices, you can make or tweak your device to maximize potential benefits and eliminate potential harms.

Reducing or eliminating the risk of harm -This is what both pharma and medical device are required to do, with research at their own expense, to have a legal and approved product. But it is also what any sensible and ethical person would do, if experimenting without commercial intentions. The law may not prevent you from experimenting on yourself without any idea of possible benefits or harms. There are Darwin Awards for that. But there may certainly also be legal consequences for experimenting on others, or for recommending that people do things which turn out to be dangerous, just because you didn't do your safety homework.

Agree. I am encouraging enginners, world wide labs and researhers to study the simpe case of x device ,(in fact it is just a magnet, a dc motor from a toy car and a battery) . More than that is in the safety area.....(individual components or assembled) Thank you for your kindless advices.

.......................

I wonder if there is a relation between a headache and pharma market. I think there is and is named money....X device is not something new.....probably they have the mother of x device..........

No... it will be no interest for x device...

Now probably you understand why I am interested about opinions.....and I am not interested for anything else.

You have knowledges in biology you can investigate it and write an article about it

if you will consider that is worth it ofcourse

(Artsmith)

I can give you some direct observations if you are interested after Ihave tested on me more than 1 year. Let me know about it.

thx st

Not for me whatsoever, thanks.

I do encourage you to test all your safety parameters before ever experimenting on yourself. I would be sorry to see you come to any harm. If you don't take care about it, I will suspect that it has already made you a bit demented! Better lay off it for awhile, and see if you recover.

Did you see the movie "The Philadelphia Experiment" ?? It came on TV last night, I must admit it made me think about you and your wacky approach to medical experiments...

;) sometime I switch off some electric devices with my presence ;))). I am stil far away from Philadelphia Experiment movie ;))). I am not afraid from a spinning neodymium magnet.......Now tell me you reacted like that because I asked if there is a relation between pharma industry and money or it was just like that onestly ? I already tested more than 1 year...I am running " on batteries" ;))))

And yes I saw the movie.

it is already done.

From my point of view there are toys more dangerous compared with x device.

I answered you from the start. "safety limits". Than you point it in this direction to after you made some analyses (this means I am not demented ;))

regarding toys who approved this one...? (in my country you can find it in a store which is seling toys......)

If you ask me this is making my X device to look like a candy.

safety ? it is a bad joke.

I have an older version of that toy. It's basically a high frequency, high voltage, low current source in a sphere full of argon. Not enough current to be dangerous or even to feel, though I would still avoid playing with it in the bathtub. It's basically a low power tesla coil, but almost more like static electricity. It transforms electricity at a voltage too low to be dangerous to a high voltage with current too low to be dangerous. If it had a capacitor of sufficient size on the high voltage side, then it could become a hazard.

The thing I noticed is that when in the area, it knocks out cordless phone usage by jamming the signals with electrical discharge noise.

opinions and opinions.....http://www.thejournal.ie/eu-report-warns-against-plasma-balls-1299121-Feb2014/

thx st

This cartoon just keeps fitting and fitting...

funny ;) now I will ask the question....Do you stil think x device is dangerous ?

Can't be answered, it must be properly tested. There are no short cuts in safety testing.

Referring to the x-device as a medical instrument, not the plasma ball.

I don't, and most here would probably agree with me.

The limits listed in the electromagnetic standards are very conservative (low) so unless you get it (the plasma ball electronics) wet and it becomes an electrocution hazard, or you touch it for ridiculously long periods of time its safe in my opinion.

I have never seen or heard of any real study that has indicated it has actually caused harm through normal use and exposure. The same goes with readily available rare earth permanent magnets like you describe.

_{Jack - Among other things, former Laboratory Electrical Safety Technician involved in testing products for safety.}

Not particularly. The duration of radiation exposure has a lot to do with how damaging it is and the exposure duration should be relatively short unless you sleep with it while it's running. The radiation is not particularly ionizing to biological or genetic material as it is at relatively low electron volt level and at a relatively long wavelength compared to ultraviolet, xray or gamma radiation.

I am not overly concerned.

What do you think about this article ?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-18557-7

Hmm... artsmith what do you think ?

Also I saw something about an experiment (do not think about "The fly movie " artsmith :) he will understand the joke....)

Musqito test :

“Two of 3 species of mosquitoes tested took fewer blood meals in a rotating magnetic field than in the Earth's normal magnetic field.”

Now I prefere to say that X device is creating a RMF ( rotating magnetic field)

(Rotating magnetic field (RMF) means rotation of polarities. If we have a magnet of which the two opposite poles of that magnet will move around an central axis with an constant angular acceleration then the outer magnetic field will also continues to vary)

When you talk to yourself.. who answers?

..been following the thread here.

Why are the MrSkeeters eating less in the rmf?

Is this device a suitable non toxic repellamt?

That makes you hair grow while loosing weight?

Hello !

you will be surprised who answers......prepared people in a related field.....

the experiment you can find it on google (refering to musqitos in RMF )

I didn't said antything about loosing weight. I said hair grows faster, yes, because the RMF exposure accelerating human body proceses and it is normal.....

What is your opinion regarding RMF ? is the same with EMF ? (Iknow that can look a stupid question )

What else does this thing do besides relieving pain, growing hair, and being addictive?

x device is a "human charger" , is increasing the energy level of the body and is accelerating human body processes.....I already told you about the hair and pains...(dependence....it is not a suitable word....if I do not use it daily I am the same old me before use x.....lets say dependence.....)

If the skeeters have increased energy levels and the skeeters feed on less blood.. I assume the skeeters are loosing weight?

So if lawyers would loose weight? So might humans.

That's why I thought it had a weight loss capability.

As for what I think about the device? I'm still thinking about what I'm thinking about it.

Regardless of where things turn out. I'm glad you're doing what you do.

Without zeal we'd be sitting on a rock looking at our hands and wondering what to do with them.

thx Chicago! it is true....page 77 of the book,In the post. This time instead musqitos rats.....you said it not me.....(ref loosing weight)

"Human charger" is the same thing they said about the healthful and beneficial effects of drinking radium water in the early 1900's. It was supposed to add natural energy to your body, but turned out to give you radiation poisoning.

I'd rather be sure they have a clear cause and effect at the molecular level before promoting a general bulk process, as in amino acid A binds to site B at this location when you introduce magnetic field or electric current C with this geometric arrangement and properties causing D to happen, which causes desirable result D or preventing undesirable result E.

Very interesting, stb. Biofilms are a big issue, mostly on hard surfaces afaik more often than in wounds, however it is still relevant to health care and also some environmental issues (see 'biofouling').

I'm glad to see you following my advice, starting by narrowing down the relevant search terms. Your device does appear to be a "rotating magnetic field" and that is more specific.

Keep reading, you will soon know everything that's available as background information already in the science. And then you will be ready to form a reasonable hypothesis and design your own experiments, to take the science another step forward. This is how it's done... we are always standing on the shoulders of others in science. This is why, every introduction in a properly written scientific paper starts by reviewing what other researchers have found, acknowledging their contribution and leading to the unanswered question which your own research addresses. Just saying, in case your path leads you toward academic pursuits...

Here's a good place to read, but you may still have to refine your search terms a little further. Or enjoy the broader search and the odds and ends that turn up.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=rotating+magnetic+field

thx for the good thoughts. I hope that some researchers move fast an test it with transparency......because in my opinion it can help a lot of people and time is precious ....

Ps : if they will conclude that it is dangerous they should retreat all the magnets on the market because anytime some one can spin one.....

Removing magnets from the market would be absurd. A knife can cut you, but we don't remove them from the market. We teach our children how to handle the knife correctly and use it safely. The same goes for magnets or any other product... it is all about understanding its proper uses and the correct techniques to address the reasonable cautions in different applications.

I know you are still stuck on the notion that it can provide benefits to people, but the real question is, what parameters provide actual benefits. The research that you linked showed that the device was harmful to some pathogenic bacterial communities/biofilms. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest a biological benefit. The merit of the device may be to kill stuff, sterilize surfaces, or remove biofouling for example. As for rodents losing weight or mosquitos failing to feed, these are also harms to the organism not benefits. People who are sick also lose weight.

I'm not buying the "human charger" line whatsoever!

Don't forget, when a person is drunk they may feel "fantastic" temporarily, but it is not a health benefit. Your feelings can deceive you. Be smart instead.

It is not like drink efect, I became more resitant (no flue in the last year, no muscle pains after efort, no hadakes, no cough, I am healing faster (ref to wounds).....

Ps the musqitos served fewer meals because -the system becames more efficient.....

Is the magnet perhaps affecting your spellchecker?

st english level : beginer, if it is yout first language ptobably it is simple 4 you. Lets try romanian or latin (Used by Vatican) then I will ask you the same question. ;))))))

romanian language - because I am a romanian

latin language - because it was the language of romanians ancesters.

other languages - ok it is fun to learn basics in 8 months...

My solution is that if it is not English, you just say it slower and louder

Do not forget that latin language start the " story"......I wonder why Vatican insists with latin hmmmmmm ? why ? why ?

you have the answer jp?

History mostly. When Christianity was adopted as the Roman state religion, they spoke latin as the normal everyday language of the day.

I suppose at the time that if a Roman was talking to a barbarian and the barbarian didn't understand, they just spoke the latin slower and louder.

I am speaking latin :) are you ?

I would, except it's all Greek to me.

This still sounds like something else or the placebo effect to me. The placebo effect has been scientifically proven to work in clinical trials, what you describe on a single patient (yourself) is just your observation and opinion.

Again, magnetic healing has been around for years and never been shown to actually work under controlled repeatable conditions, certainly not miraculous results like you claim just by spinning a magnet close to your body.

Interestingly enough trials have also shown that the placebo effect can work even if the patient knows it is a placebo and not the real thing (such as medicine). The mind is a very powerful thing.

Jack, magnetic healing was yesterday, today it's a human charger.

It's still just magnetic healing regardless of how one tries to phrase it or explain or describe it.

Yes, but doesn't the term "magnetic healing" mean that there is actual healing performed do to magnetism? Although it has been around a long time, 30 years of research has not proven it does anything.

Link.

I think you hit the nail on the head with a placebo effect. Personally I would go farther and say that this belongs here.

The name is just what it's commonly referred to in general.

Like "over unity device" and "free energy generator" the commonly used name by no means validates what it describes.

I have already tagged this thread as Pseudoscience.

Trust me, I know you were playing nice, and didn't buy into any this.

I wonder if I can use rotating magnetic fields to lesson this major winter storm we are about to get tonight and tomorrow.

They have already called my kids school off and no flakes are falling yet. That never happens, 6 to 10 inches tonight and tomorrow, another 2 or 3 tomorrow night and 2 to 4 more Saturday night.

If I could just get powerful enough magnets to prevent the snow from falling in my driveway, I would not have to shovel. That in itself would be healing by preventing the pain of shoveling.

Sure, if you think you can invent and build a working force field generator overnight.

Alternatively park the car in the drive and attach large sheets of roofing steel to your car using strong magnets. The roofing steel catches the snow and you can drive down your pristine driveway onto the road and dump it by stopping suddenly on an incline. The power of magnets.

Note this won't work if you have a particularly long drive way. There are also a few other issues you will need to work out, but hey you only gave me less than a day notice.

_{(Fades out while MacGyver theme tune music plays on)........}

pseudoscience....overunity ......Dracula ......realy? why so jake? because some strange people are making money with some "garbage magnetic products" and now when I invite world wide people to take a free look I have to accept some "funny comparations" from 2 or 3....hmmm strange.....

man kind it is funny......

Based on my experiences and what I have seen I do consider it pseudoscience. The fact that I am being nice during these discussions about it is that you have not indicated you are trying to make money from this. That crosses the line from misguided to scam artist, which you have not crossed as far as I have seen.

Regardless, this however does not mean you will believe anything I or we say here, however it is helpful to provide an alternative view on a forum so that others reading it can make their own decisions.

Being medical in nature however you need to realise that more information than you are providing needs to be provided before people will willingly take up your offer to try the free device on themselves, regardless of whether or not I say for example it won't do anything both harmful or beneficial.