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Why Not Engineer Freedom?

11/26/2018 2:55 PM

Why not provide data analysis, behavior analysis and many other such, to each one of us, as a feed back continually along side its impact on our dynamic collective well being?

Instead of waiting for policy makers, thought leaders or business leaders to solve our problems will such feed back not enable us to tailor our own solutions and maintain our freedoms?

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Re: Why not engineer freedom?

11/26/2018 3:08 PM

How much of your income are you willing to devote to being provided with such data and analysis? What percentage of your day will you be slaving away just to pay for this service meant to enhance freedom?

How would you keep analysis free of biases? Does such a thing as bias free analysis even exist?

Will you choose from what areas the data comes and to what goals the analysis aspires....or will this be dictated via a few convenient packages to choose among.

If the service is provided by some overseeing entity, so that everyone regardless of income might 'benefit' will there be penalties for failing to implement the proscribed improvements?

How exactly do you see this as preserving or enhancing freedom?

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11/26/2018 3:19 PM

Don't they call that kind of service "life coaching", if you want to pay for it?

https://www.lifecoaching.com/pages/life_coaching.html

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11/26/2018 3:18 PM

Yes, indeed. Such individualized use of big data might be the only way to maximize the value of insights, knowledge and discoveries. Waiting for curators, editors and news organizations alone to intermediate is both inefficient and self-defeating. Humanity's investment in mass education and liberation from unnecessary labor might produce accelerating dividends if we are to believe in the message of the this video.

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11/26/2018 4:41 PM

Peter Diamandis is probably considered a good motivational speaker, but as with all motivational speakers he fosters an emotional response to an idealistic future where seemingly all things are possible, and are all within your reach....nobody can predict the future....but you probably won't live forever...

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11/26/2018 3:26 PM

<...us...our...our...us...our...our...>

There are a lot of undefined plural pronouns there. Achieving definition of those pronouns would be the first step towards enlightenment.

Also, representation is not necessary at this username.

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11/26/2018 3:37 PM

I think they call it Wikipedia.

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11/28/2018 1:24 PM

I thought we called it the Break Room?

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11/29/2018 11:01 AM

No, that's where we discuss climate variations. Weather is not climate until you integrate it for a while.

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11/26/2018 4:05 PM

There are so many problems with this it's hard to begin....Managing a group of people is a full time job...no matter the size....Not everybody is pro your life, or your beliefs....When you take the average, instead of the specialist, you are not capitalizing on the best option....There will always be agenda based forces at work, biases, prejudicial judgement, economic politicking, liberal and conservative forces competing for control...Society needs structure, discipline, motivation to succeed....opposition builds strength, and a strong society provides the best quality of life...Societal problems are immensely complex, and there are an uncountable number of them, add to that that everything is always changing and you realize why we need so many people dedicated to just one thing at a time....

If you are directly in the center, half the people say you aren't doing enough and the other half say you're doing too much....and nobody is completely happy, but everyone is somewhat ok with it...This is why the popularity polls on political candidates really don't matter when the majority are dissatisfied...except of course when election time is nigh...

You can please some of the people some of the time, none of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time....

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11/27/2018 3:03 PM

Fitbit and other smartwatch or phone apps are providing people with exercise and diet data and helping them to achieve those goals. Seems like a lot of people are buying it.

As for behavior, you will not get analysis from a machine, but you could probably program Siri or one of those housebots to nag you about a behavior that you (or your life coach) has identified as undesired. I have some serious doubts about the market for a nagbot.

Continual feedback is an impossible state for a free agent. It would be necessary to ignore the feedback simply to proceed with any free act. The alternative - to be continually guided or directed by 'feedback' without the effort of analysis and of making a decision - is not freedom.

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11/27/2018 3:53 PM

And just when you think, life can’t get anymore difficult.

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11/27/2018 4:35 PM

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11/28/2018 6:20 PM

Even if it were possible to provide feedback and analysis somehow bias-free and beneficial without undue burden, it is no guarantee it will be utilized well. It also wouldn't necessarily have any meaningful influence on freedom.

Even if you engineer some method to increase/enhance freedom it doesn't mean people will take the opportunity or even be better off.

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05/16/2021 9:15 PM

Great question, comments and discussion Ultimately, lots of sacrifices and hard work might enable humanity to provide individualized feedback in a timely fashion to enable each one to achieve their full potential in real time and could be a great blessing for all the rest for such individual nourishment. Yes, of course such a society of nourished free individuals will be capable of scaling higher grounds, such as even becoming “devine like” having gradually couched. Yes the chain might only be as strong as its weakest link.

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05/16/2021 10:46 PM

Rubbish....so you would have us all controlled by mindless machines, and to turn on each other with judgement and condemnation....our frailties and weaknesses are what make us human...you would trade humanity to chase a fantasy, if that's not being led astray by the devil, I don't know what is...

https://www.nbc.com/weakestlink/video/one-series-the-weakest-link-season-trailer-a/4340770

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05/17/2021 1:06 AM

"Why not provide data analysis, behavior analysis and many other such, to each one of us, as a feed back continually along side its impact on our dynamic collective well being?"

What does that mean?

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