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Max. Motor Size for MV MCC 4.16 400A Contactor

02/14/2019 1:04 PM

On a MV MCC 4.16KV , 1200A, SC 42AK , what is the max Induction motor size can be connected to a 400A contactor.

A 1.320 MW motor 230 A , Can this motor be powered from MCC MV 4.16 with a 400A contactor? Ammeter, fuse, CT, will be updated.

Existing max load connected to the same MCC is 675KW motor.

In our plant, max load powered from same like MCC with 400A is 760KW motor.

Due to limitation, project team planning to connect it to a spare MCC feeder with 400A contactor.

As per ETAP, all studies have no alarm or any issue, but I can 'not confirm if such 1.32MW motor can be connected to the MCC, same motor size or starting from 1MWA in our plant is connected to a SWGR not MCC, but, due to limitation of available CB, the only available power source is the 400A Contactor on that MCC.

Load flow, motor starting, short circuit , voltage drop , all results OK, but i am still doubt if that load can be connected to the MCC.

Can any body comment on that issue.

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Re: Max motor size for MV MCC 4.16 400A Conatctor

02/14/2019 1:54 PM

Ask the contactor manufacturer this. Identify if this is AC or DC voltages, too.

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Re: Max motor size for MV MCC 4.16 400A Conatctor

02/15/2019 9:56 PM

Also, you need to check the current transformer primary rating, so the CTs aren't overloaded during normal operation. Typically the starter will have R type motor starting fuses. You need to install the correct fuses so they coordinate with your overload relay protection. They are sized according to motor HP.

Some of the larger fuses are double barrel type, you need to confirm the clips will handle the correct fuse for the contactor.

This information is only available from the manufacturer of the equipment, which includes the testing of the starting assembly as designed to start the size motor.

i have no doubt that the contactor is capable of starting the motor across the line, but you must confirm that and the other details to successfully apply and operate the equipment.

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Re: Max motor size for MV MCC 4.16 400A Conatctor

02/14/2019 1:54 PM

Rough guesstimate on FLA of 4000V motors is 0.14A/HP.

"A 1.320 MW motor 230 A ,..."

1320kW x .746 = 985HP x 0.14 = 138A, your numbers are off somewhere.

But can a 230A motor be controlled by a 400A contactor? Why not? 400 > 230 isn't it?

Assuming you are looking at Vacuum Contactors, a typical 400A VC is rated for 2750HP max at 4000V, so just over 2,000kW (2MW).

Air contactors may have slightly lower ratings because of arcing when attempting to interrupt current flow (not an issue with VCs), but I don't know of anyone using that any more and I don't have any data sheets for them.

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02/14/2019 2:30 PM

Shouldn't that be 1320 kW ÷ 0.746 ≈ 1769 hp?

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02/14/2019 8:10 PM

Yes... yes it should. I have made that same mistake twice today.

There needs to be a better emoticon for "shame"...

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02/14/2019 10:37 PM

That sort of thing happens to me once in a while, too.
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02/15/2019 3:35 AM

Contactors generally have a HP rating on them.

A rule of thumb that is generally accepted is 1 KVA per hp.

This allows for starting loads,etc.

A link that will help is below.

https://www.geindustrial.com/techtuesday/dec/Technical_Tuesday_11-8-16_MV_MCC.pdf

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02/15/2019 3:49 AM

Here is an additional link to information that you may find helpful in many areas.

https://www.geindustrial.com/publibrary

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Re: Max. Motor Size for MV MCC 4.16 400A Contactor

02/15/2019 12:22 PM

It depends on what the motor is driving and its starting current and starting duration.

This is not because of limitation on the contactor rating, instead, it is about the back up fuse.

Presuming the contactor comes with a 400A back up fuse, this may not be able to withstand two successive hot starts without blowing.

Please look into this aspect.

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