Another Boeing 737 Max 8 Goes Down

Your assumption and bigotry are flaring out of control.

What makes you think I am white? What makes you think I am male for that matter?

More importantly, why do you deem those important for characterizing my comments? That seems exactly racist and sexist.

Your continued referece to cornflakes is lost on me. I have no idea what you are aluding to, so you can be sure I do not feel any slight no matter how many times you attempt to prod with it.

Let's get together and see the truth. We are intelligent and can see these trolls, stop trolling the trolls.

"... Stuck there because of people who actually don't know much about 3rd world countries. ..."

What exactly are you trying to convey with this sentence fragment? Are you suggesting there are people in South Africa that are trying to leave but are being held back by the ignorance of some salient facts about some other country that is third world?

Please note: your demand that I answer questions about a statement I did not make is not all that similar to this case. I am asking you about a comment you did write, presumably one for which you know the intent (though the case for doubt is growing stronger).

Or is it simply that the autopilot was engaged too early when the airplane was too "nose up" during climb to cruise altitude?

That might explain why they got off the ground and then encountered problems during climb.

There was some "news" here that if the autopilot was over-ridden (and I take that as different to disengaged) that it would resume control after around 10 seconds. Such a situation might in some way support the rise/fall/rise/fall scenario that seems to have happened.

I'm not a pilot, so this is the laymans interpretation of one or two news lines.

Seems strange that both accidents happened in only that phase of flight, given the proportion of flight duration.

Kepner Tregoe problem definition. Problem only observed during climb after takeoff, ??never?? at any other time in flight??

Problem only observed during climb after takeoff, ??never?? at any other time in flight??

Well, if the problem is such that you crash shortly after the problem is identified you are never going to experience it at any other stage of the flight

This looks to me like the autopilot is engaged on the ground just before takeoff....at 9:50

Now same plane landing appears to go into momentary stall at 8:58 and the pilot uses override on the yoke, pushes nose down manually with yoke, but the autopilot at that point is off, possibly the F/O corrected trim with manual wheel shutting off the autopilot...

Thanks,

Good that the feedback to pilot is there, but interesting that he was that close to the "envelope" to need an alarm to respond. Or was it the autopilot that took the plane to that situation and needed pilot correction?

Never been in the cockpit, so asking from perspective of my own ignorance.

The stall warning buzzer and flashing lights are common to all aircraft, and during the course of flight you set them off now and then, this is perfectly normal,,,.during landings you usually stall the aircraft just before touchdown...when descending in an aircraft you don't want to gain too much speed, to curtail this you bring the nose of the plane up to just shy of stall, this allows the plane to drop in altitude without gaining speed, otherwise you go into a dive and risk overspeed of prop...this is what the flaps are for, they increase lift, but increase drag as well, this requires more rev's, but results in slower ground speed...

Delta airlines did not buy one 737 MAX. (Delta CEO now head of FAA) Boeing Boeing gone.....if it's Boeing, I'm not going. It's too bad that they didn't put the original 737 to bed and design a completely new plane . I have a saying for the MCAS system, "open the Pod bay doors, HAL" pilots have enough on their plates, let them fly. I flew with my dad many many times, and he always said "if you want to be a good pilot, learn how not to throw up".

I was a part of the American Airlines family since 1948. My dad became a senior pilot and retired with honors. I flew with him allot, and got my pilots license after high school. I have always kept up with all things avaition, And when there is an 'accident' I start to put myself into the front seat and wonder what , I would have done and my thought pattern. I also have thoughts of every one lost. As a former pilot, I know in my heart that 99.99% of pilots are like capt. Sullenberger. We are so well trained, and really love their jobs. They have adapted to newer and more complex technology to help 'smooth' out the ride and be more efficient, which has come with some strings attached. The checklists used to be short and concise, but now ......many pages. But pilots take it in stride because , well....they love to fly. These latest crashes have brought forward again how, sometimes, pilots can not overcome the places that the airplane is put in by a malfunctioning piece of equipment. In a way, Sully had an easier job because he knew right away that he had lost both engines and his flying ability was put to a test.(not his first rodeo). Lately, the MCAS system (used on take off and landing) has confused some good pilots for just a few seconds and that's all it takes. the 'hardware' of flying has gone past stick and rudder, somewhat, but it is always there if you want it. I have re-read 'Fate is The Hunter' and strongly suggest that all the 'googlers out there read it. I feel for those pilots and passengers, and may they rest in peace.

Cost to lease a 737 max / $ 150,000 - $ 245,000 per month.

Partial list of airlines buying, leasing or owning these planes.

Aerolineas Argentinas - 9

Aero Mexico - 5

Air Canada - 20

Air China - 14

Air Italy - 5

American - 20

Cayman - 2

China Eastern - 13

China Southern - 16

Com air - 1

Copa - 5

Corendon - 1

Easterjet - 2

Enter Air - 2

Ethiopian Airlines - 5

Fiji Airlines - 2

Fly Dubai - 14

Fuzhou - 2

Garuda Indonesia - 1

Gol - 1

Hainan - 7

Iceland Air - 3

Jet Airways - 6

Kunming - 2

Lion Air - 14

Lot Polish - 5

Lucky Air - 3

Mauritania Airlines - 1

MIAT - 1

Norwegian - 18

Okay Airways - 1

Oman Air - 5

Royal Air Maroc - 2

Shandong - 6

Shanghai Airlines - 11

Shenzhen - 5

Silk Air - 5

Southwest - 31

Spice Jet - 7

Sunwing - 3

S 7 - 2

Thai lion - 3

TUI - 11

Turkish - 7

United - 12

West Jet - 12

Xiamen - 9

Hmm....looks like Delta execs. Did their homework and stayed completely away from 737-MAX, and now delta CEO is head of the faa. Big shake up coming.

This discussion started off solid but kind of devolved into personal attacks -- we're closing the thread. Please do your best to keep discussion on-point and civil.

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