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Slide mechanism

10/10/2007 12:34 PM

I'm looking for a "referencing" slide for a tool holder.

ie: A cassette that when installed will reference x and y axis exactly with high repeatability.

This can either be machined or purchase part. BUT needs to be low profile and slide approx. 3 inches in the x axis.

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10/10/2007 3:18 PM

we retrofitted 5 Bridgeport vertical mills with pendant programmed CNC. They utilized a typical glass scale and reader. Thees things were absolutely great. I hope to employ same in shop myself......that is if I can remember who made the blasted things.

Anyway, they are out there, are not to expensive and very reliable. I will tax my memory and see what I can muster.....lets see, 1988.....hmmm, IRS forms, ....no.....marriage license......hey my car keys are on the bureau ...

I'll have to get back with you on that one.

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10/10/2007 3:39 PM

So I don't know if I am on mark for exactly what you need or not.

I just Googled "retrofit CNC". Wow. It seems that there are literally hundreds of options out there. Have I been out that long? Guess so.

Anyway, to your question. If I am understanding you, one of these should work-

1 - Use of a glass scale and reader (durable to coolants and oils. susceptible to impact) with a DRO (digital read out)would allow for a relatively inexpensive manual positioning system.

2 - A servo can semi-automate.

3 - A single axis retro fit unit should be fully programmable and repeatable in a loop cycle at a greater cost. Can be operated off a DOS based op sys on up to modern OS

There are many variations of size, repeatability(precision), accuracy etc.

happy hunting,

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10/10/2007 4:39 PM

Nope - this is for a slide to self register with repeatability:

Slide - left to right - X Axis

Fixed slide front to back - Y Axis

The X will be on one assembly and will slide into the Y assembly with repeatable registration.

Look at it as a tool changer - the tool mount can be removed to change out tools and then the mount will be slid back into the accuator assembly "Y" assembly to engage into material to be removed.

Sorry about the confusion - What I'm looking for, ideally, is a machined surface to surface to repeat position.

I will probably utilize a 'knee mill' way profile but was looking for an alternate configuration from all the great minds out there.

The knee mill style will require a bit more machining and hardware than I have room for but I can make it work. I was hoping for something simpler that would still retain a .005" overall tolerance.

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10/10/2007 9:05 PM

by knee mill I guess you mean a vertical mill.

so what I am seeing in my mind is the tool holder similar to what is on a compound slide of a lathe.

How close am I now?

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10/11/2007 10:21 AM

Yeah but no - don't have that kind of room.

This needs to be very low profile - I don't have what I need to show you at the moment.

I will try a sketch later - kinda busy at work.

They want me to kick it out, like, right now!

And they say engineering is a rewarding career field...

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10/11/2007 11:02 AM

Ok great.

So notice tht the slide is kicked at an angle on top. Just the top portion. The one shown is bulky for rigidity. It could be modified. But rather, if only 3-6" travel is needed a smaller one is available that could be further modified if needed. They get right tiny in fact.

What you are looking for in this photo is a compound slide or something similar. There are drawings and specs readily available on the web. Google images has a few under 'lathe compound slide' or 'lathe hobby kit' or 'small metal lathe'

Are you familiar with conventional metal lathes?

good luck.

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10/11/2007 1:10 PM

Do not know about the forces in play here or the loads on the slide you are trying to utilise but we manufacture x-y stages for laboratory work with hardness testers and microscopy and that sort of thing. We have very low profile stages in the 3 to 4 inch movement you talked about ( some only 1 inch thick) but it all depends on your environment. Our stages repeat at 0.2 micron if you want them to. Way more accurate than you told us you wanted but hey, it does not have to be capable of that if you do not want it to.

Visit www.prior.com for more details. We also have offices in the states, just make sure you mention where you got the info from.

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10/11/2007 2:29 PM

Now THAT"S what I'm talking about - Thanks case!

I will review info and see what I may be able to apply.

And when I buy, I will tell them of the referral.

And Thanx to CR3 as well!!

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10/11/2007 2:42 PM

Well why didn't ya' just say so?

glad to help. see ya' around.

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10/11/2007 3:10 PM

Very glad to have been of help, let us know how you get on. If you can imagine our product doing what you want it to, I guarantee you we can make it happen. All our design, manufacture and assembly is right here at our head office in Cambridgshire UK.

Thanks to cr3 as well.

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10/11/2007 3:12 PM

I was gonna offer to whittle him one out of balsa, but you guys probably have a better product.

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10/11/2007 3:19 PM

Hi cr3,

I didn't get the feeling that he was after a product with accuracy linked to the humidity in the room that day.

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10/11/2007 3:24 PM

agreed. are you guys involved with semicon?

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10/11/2007 3:28 PM

I am sorry but I have very little to do with the actual sales and so don't know many names. Some of our stages actually have the customer names in them as they are specials but semicon does not ring a bell. Why?? got connections there?

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10/11/2007 4:14 PM

Semicon = semiconductor industry. And yes

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10/11/2007 6:00 PM

Sorry was out for a while.

Ok now I get this semicon thing, off course we do. We make special stages for silicon chip qa which is basically a pre loaded slide full of chips which get inserted onto a stage by a wafer pick and place unit. The microscope then checks the chips for pin count and continuity and reports on failed positions via image recognition software and so forth. All high tech and prone to be misunderstood. We have single slide tables up to eight slide units.

Also do special inserts for custom purpose checking. These may have inserts in them for customer defined products of all sorts. Unfortunately I am not all that hot on exactly what they do with our stages and would like to learn more about these but hey, I am just johnny dumbass building them.......to a spec of better than 0.0002mm

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10/11/2007 6:07 PM

Have yu seen the post this week about the Nikon small world photo contest. Might suit you guys.

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10/12/2007 2:00 AM

I have seen it and made a fav link to it, my god they look good. I think though, that loads of those have some digital workover in photoshop or something with contrast filters and colours and bla, bla, bla......! But having said that, they do look good for it.

As I said we do not get involved too much with customers intended use of the thing but you are right, they must use a stage of some sort. Most microscopes come with their own but we manufacture aftermarket improved ones with computer control and the accuracy. Some of our stages even bear the name nikon in them somewhere as do leica, olympus and a few others.

The other thing our stages are used for is automated product insert in environmntally dangerous areas. We think radio active surroundings or biologically hazardous laboratories. As we can control them remotely, these stages are ideal. Just put some sort of pick and place next to it for the wafers and you have a mini conveyor microscope system.

got to go to work now, it is 7 am here. You are somewhere in Texas on a low hill? tried to look for your coordinates but I have no world map here in paper form and could not be bothered to google it.

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10/12/2007 10:46 AM

Where I am in Texas is where one in Lincoln is to Nebraska.

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10/12/2007 11:09 AM

so how far away from Austin are you then and what is it called?

don't understand your cryptive thing with where one in lincoln is to nebraska?????

I am from The Netherlands and live in the UK now, I must be dumb don't forget.

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10/12/2007 12:00 PM

here The Netherlands. cool. I used to date some Norwegian sisters. That's as close as I have made it to the Nethelands. Though I have been to Neiderwald TX and Nederland too.

off to another thread. see you out there.

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10/12/2007 12:43 PM

Nederland is exactly as we spell our country. That is weird you have a town called like that.

You got any experience with soldering? Have a thread on the go about lead free in electrical. Need solutions.

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10/11/2007 4:33 PM

Hey - I need accuracy a little better than balsa, come on...

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