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Vapor-Phase Oven

10/14/2007 3:57 AM

Dear Friends,

Help me out in enhancing my knowledge on Vapor-phase System.

The biggest manufacturer & supplier of High Voltage Transformers contacted me to build/fabricate them a Vapor-phase Oven. This Oven will have Thermo oil heating, Vacuum System and Kerosene spray to vaporize all the moisture in the paper being used to make high voltage transformers. They are placing their order to such a manufacturer (name not disclosed to me) who will give the manufacturing drawings (not disclosed to me) to be fabricated as per their drawings.

The same Supplier will provide all ancillaries of Vacuum System, Thermo Oil Heating, Kerosene spray system, exhaust system etc., which are to be assembled with the fabricated Oven.

( Size of oven estimated: Length 25' x Width 10' x Height 15' )

My Associate had manufactured various ovens, traveling ovens on gas-fired burners all Tobacco manufacturing Machines of B.A.T Industries (on B.A.T Drawings) plus a complete factory-type workshops for re-building Cigarette making/packing Machines.

I also, as a designer & erector have a lot of experience on thermo oil circulation systems & oil boilers.

No such Oven exists in this part of the Country.

The Client is secretive and has just intimated me Suppliers like: Micafil/ Hedrich.

Hedrich North America LLC does this stuff (maybe the Supplier) but their web site still does not disclose too much details of such an Oven except photographs of minor parts/section ( which I've already downloaded).

For my next meeting with the Client & their Supplier (who is coming to select a Company who would manufacturer the Oven based on their drawing), I do not wish to be dumb at the meeting. I want them to know that apart from Fabrication/manufacturing and thermo-oil specialty, I do know a lot more on Vapor-phase Oven to do their job correctly.

Please help me out with a site for:

Complete operation phase of the system: what/how/why etc.

Details of looks/photos/drawings/sketches of such batch-type Vapor-phase ovens.

P & ID Drawings of the Heating System, Vacuum System, Kerosene injection System etc., for these type of ovens.

If you have any attachment/drawings P & ID etc., to further enhance my knowledge, please email me at : duconems@yahoo.com

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Re: Vapor-Phase Oven

10/15/2007 3:35 AM

My Friends: Del the Cat, Abdel Halim Galala, Ried, Vulcan, Stirling Stan, Andey Germany, ietech, Wrenched and everbody - come help me out.

My internet here to slow...zzzzzzzzz to scan all sites at high speed & download data.

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10/15/2007 12:09 PM

My knowledge of ovens is limited to kitchen and ink-drying.

I guess that they will run a web of paper through a series of rollers, and between the temperature and kerosene spray to remove water out of paper to reduce conductivity of the paper.

Thermal oil is used for heat to avoid any open flames near the sprayed oil. You might need a CO2 or inert gas fire suppression system.

I will also guess that air tight construction and ventilation control will be a challenge to pull water vapor out, and to keep ambient humidity out.

If I were trying to sound semi-intelligent, I would try to be or sound knowledgable on paper web handling (paper roller handling and rollers to move the paper from the out take paper roll to the take up paper roll). I would convince them that our plant tolerances are such that ventilation control will be tight, with no unwanted high humidity entering the oven. I would indicate a broad base of safety and loss prevention knowledge in meeting fire pretection concerns.

In other words, if you can't dazzle them with your knowledge, baffle them with your bull roar.

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10/15/2007 2:29 PM

In other words, if you can't dazzle them with your knowledge, baffle them with your bull roar.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Thanks, I'll remember this.

Since everything will be provided by their Supplier(complete Plant to assemble) and we'll be responsible for the fabrication of the oven body/doors/ducting etc., so I'm concentrating more on the workshop facilities to convince them that we have the capability to do the job. On the working part it is their responsibility so I'll act dumb and only expose with the slight knowledge on principles of vapor-phase based on whatever little writeup I collected from the net, just to give them the idea that I'm aware of the technology.

Thanks Ried

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10/15/2007 2:41 PM

I believe Dirty Harry Callahan said "A man needs to know his limitations."

I thought you already knew mine.

One thing I missed is it is a vacuum process, so temperatures could be lower. However, I would guess the trade off is heavier wall and structural construction. I also missed reading that this is a batch process, so my comments on web technology do not apply.

Now you know why I smile so much.

One other thought, check TAPPI.org for information on paper and paper processing. They might have technical data on control of water content of paper.

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10/16/2007 12:40 AM

No problem. Always high regards for you. Thanks

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