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Three Signals

11/06/2019 8:13 AM

we use in instrumentation 1 pair cable for positioner..how travle our 3 signals (4 to 20ma,24vdc and feedback control valve?

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Re: 3 signals

11/06/2019 8:43 AM
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Re: Three Signals

11/06/2019 12:14 PM

...or an additional multicore cable.

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Re: Three Signals

11/06/2019 1:41 PM

If you want to use a single pair cable for this application, you will need to transmit your 24VDC as a baseband signal on the cable, then modulate the 4-20mA and feedback signals onto the cable and de-modulate those signals at the remote end. I'd recommend wave division multiplexing. All of this will be a lot more expensive than simply running a 3-pair cable like PWSlack said in #2.

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Re: Three Signals

11/06/2019 9:03 PM

A HART analog output could drive the positioner (95% of positioners are 2 wire that derive their power from the 4-20mA control signal) AND provide position feedback in a HART enabled system. I assume Profibus PA, mentioned above, can do the same.

Screen shots from Fisher Fieldvue HART positioner manual, showing two wire 4-20mA HART signal supports reading the "travel" variable that equates to position.

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11/06/2019 10:48 PM

You really have only two functions over the wires.

The 24V is not power for the positioner, it moves a small pneumatic pilot valve which then moves the valve trim pneumatically. The hardware interprets 20mA as a command for one extreme of trim movement, 4 mA the opposite. The voltage drop at currents above 3mA powers the HART signal processing hardware (modem), providing 2 way communication to the valve positioner. Open commands and position feedback, alarms, maintenance mode, calibration routines can be sent across the HART signal pair, though most engineers prefer the 4-20mA signal directly operate the valve position. HART modem signals in heavy industrial environments can have reliability problems if raceway design is sub par.

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Re: Three Signals

11/07/2019 9:00 AM

I think he is asking about an existing process... like he does not understand how 3 different signals can be transmitted across just 2 wires. But I could be wrong.

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11/07/2019 4:51 PM

Yes, there are very few possible options that fit the limited information provided. HART is the more popular solution that fits with only two wires connected. I think Profibus might require a power source in addition to the communication media, but that technology could have advanced since I’ve checked in on it.

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Re: Three Signals

11/08/2019 9:35 PM

Another possibility:

Foundation Fieldbus (FF) is like HART or Profibus PA - DC power is carried on the same two conductors in twisted shielded pair cable as the signal. Multiple variables are available through FF just like HART or Profibus PA.

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