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Trailer Unloaders

12/27/2019 12:58 PM

I just read about the hydraulic motor to saw blade post that you all were so helpful about so I am encouraged to ask about this:

I have a 6'4" x 16' utility trailer that I have been using to haul in dirt/sand fill for filling a deep ravine at rear of my lot. Tired of unloading by use of a shovel I used TPO roofing fabric to create a slip sheet that I roll to the rear of the trailer to unload as much as 2 CYDs over the rear end . Since my son said it would never be possible because of the friction of coarse I had to do it. This is similar to the pickup truck un-loaders available for some years now.

I use a schedule 80 3" iron pipe in crudely made bearings with a 15" wheel rim fastened to one end of the pipe to roll up the fabric. I have a 2500 lb winch with cable wrapped around the rim to create enough torque to move the load rearward.

I'm pretty sure all calculations would tell anyone this cannot work, however I have moved about a hundred cubic yards of sand/gravel/rock/dirt and many items such as pallets loaded with cement bags. It does work.

I find the loose sand and dirt that gets under this sheet acts as a "lubricant" to assist the process. I am awed by how strong and resilient this reinforced roofing material can be. Cost about $275 for 6'X100'. I placed one 16' layer down on top of the wood plank bed, then the moving sheet, fastened to the pipe by DUCT TAPE on top of that. The front end of the moving sheet is squeezed between a pair of angle irons so that another winch can retrieve it to the loading position. I just place the unloading winch in free wheel to allow this. I have also used this to take trash to the local land- fill.

My only problem with this set-up is that the wheel, which is a 15" automobile wheel rim with about a 13" inner diameter where the cable winds, tends to bottom out and hit pavement at ramp ends etc.

I know I can reduce the outer diameter but the cable will likely slip off the side.

What I am considering is somehow using the winch to directly turn the wind-up pipe without the necessity of the rim. Like a smaller sprocket and chain.

I think I will try to relocate the wheel rim upward and link it to the pipe shaft with a chain and sprocket. This will give more ground clearance as well as shorten overall length.

I see a lot of dump trailers for this purpose but I like the advantages of not tipping over sideways on rough terrain and also avoiding overhead obstructions. I don't know why some trailer manufacturer or the cargo-unloader people don't offer this.

If this doesn't make enough sense I may be able to send pictures or a drawing with dimensions - if I can figure out how.

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01/08/2020 10:56 PM

I'm not aware of the pickup unloaders you mention, and I'm not sure that I have an accurate understanding of just how your arrangement works, but it sounds like the start of a very good idea.

If you could send a sketch or photo, I think I might be able to suggest an improvement.

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01/08/2020 11:04 PM

Harbor Freight sells an unloader for pickup trucks. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3ZugqIAJE

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01/09/2020 12:19 AM

Thanks! I did watch the video, but still am not totally clear on the exact method of function...

UJ. I see no reason why the winch couldn't be mounted directly on the end of your pipe, as long as the winch and pipe are mounted such that the pipe bearing acts to replace the second bearing of the winch drum. It would be pretty easy (with a lathe) to cut down the flange on one end of the winch drum. If you are lucky, (and depending on the size of the winch), you might be able fit the drum inside the pipe so a pin passing through holes in the pipe and drum would make the winch easily removable.

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01/08/2020 11:54 PM

Hi uj - thanks for the post, which was very detailed and legible!

I think I have a pretty good picture of the idea of the setup. Having a picture or drawing would definitely help.

You said: I may be able to send pictures or a drawing with dimensions - if I can figure out how.

Both would be great. dkwarners post explains how to get those uploaded into a follow-up post. Looking forward to seeing them!

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01/09/2020 3:30 PM

As usual, Solar Eagle has provided a pretty good likeness of my set up with a drum and winch on the left side a of a smaller trailer. Whoever did that made it a lot simpler than mine. I hadn't thought of setting the winch in that position - I think I will try to modify mine similarly.

What I find hard to believe is that the companies that make those for pickups haven't evolved to this set-up. Don't know how many people have unloaded gravel/sand/dirt etc. by hand but it is so much nicer to do it at the push of a button. And quicker.

And thanks to all especially SE. When do you go on Jeopardy?

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01/09/2020 5:56 PM

We'd still like to see a photo or sketch/drawing of your setup!

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01/09/2020 7:33 AM

Just to add more to the mix... The old pull-type manure spreaders had an open chain from front to back to pull the lateral bars (angle iron most likely) along the bed. The bars sometimes ran in a track to prevent lifting over the 'fertilizer'. Something similar to this without the drag bars and with the chains driving only the rear dump shaft may work. Might need a geared clutch to let you pull the cloth back to the front... I'm thinking too much now. What you have is working and a very easy design. Would moving the drive to the front even be worth the effort?

I see they still sell the spreaders and they are very pricey!

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01/09/2020 9:20 AM

My favorite so far....⇓

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01/09/2020 9:45 AM

Here's a winch powered unloader...

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