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Question on Ignition Coil Wires

12/30/2019 4:37 AM

May i ask why with an ignition coil we use special wires that have resistance in the scale of ( MΩ ) in order to drive the sparks and not a well insulate cable with out any resistance? drive the sparks through a non resistance cable would not be much more efficient?

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12/30/2019 4:59 AM

Mostly for RFI and EMI suppression, but there are more factors to consider....

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12/30/2019 8:18 AM

You are correct that low resistance wires will typically put more electrical energy at a load (spark plug) but in the case of any atomized fuel ignition system the fuel and not the electricity is the dominant source of energy. Getting a spark to form across the gap to ignite the fuel is the goal of an ignition system. Also, a spark gap is a very non-linear load. Prior to forming an arc, the impedance of a spark gap is the range of GΩ of resistance. While an arc plasma exists across the gap electrodes the resistance can be easily below one ohm.

There are several other advantages (reduced RFI) to having a moderate resistance between ignition coil and spark gap but the non-linearity of a working spark gap is the root of the situation.

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12/30/2019 4:23 PM

So as not to duplicate Marconi's spark gap transmitter experiment. Low resistance wires make good transmitting antennas.

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12/31/2019 12:15 AM

I am really dating myself here. Back in the 50's and 60's cars and tractors I worked on had copper cored wires (basically no resistance). On the old Fordson Power Major tractor as I recall the wires terminated directly on the plug. On my first VW Beatle there was a screw-on resistor at the plug. If you broke it you could "get away" with a hard wired plug but the radio was really noisy.

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12/31/2019 7:38 AM

RFI suppression

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12/31/2019 8:44 AM

I am not an electrical engineer or electronics person but growing up in the early 50's on the farm if a visitor came to the house we used to play a game of identify the car by the electrical interference on the TV. A Ford car was easy the TV went total crazy no picture at all just what we called fuzz. Sometime about 1957 Ford started using resistance ignition wiring and things calmed down.

In later years owning a high performance shop with a chassis dynomometer on many occasions we found that for some reason there was better spark and power using resistance wiring over solid copper. This would show up in power levels and on the oscilloscope pattern.

Well that is about all brought back some memories.

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Re: Ignition Coil

12/31/2019 10:15 AM

FYI

The reason improved spark and performance happens with resistance spark plug wiring is there are more effective sparks per engine ignition cycle.

A low resistance connection between gap and coil causes the most amount of electrical energy to be consumed on the very first spark cycle. If that first spark fails to generate a propagating flame wall of the fuel/air mixture for any reason (moisture, bad luck) in the combustion chamber then a second significantly lower energy spark has only about 30 microseconds to ignite before reaching TDC (assumptions: 4000 RPM, 8 cylinders, ignition timing 6° BTDC). Points and condenser ignition systems would add very little energy into the ignition coil core for subsequent oscillation cycles. With a resistance between gap and coil, the spark interval is more uniformly formed and thus any of the early arc cycles will likely ignite the fuel when desired to maximize the kinematic transfer, expanding gas power to crankshaft power. A more robust timing and coil driven circuitry have improved consistent ignition sparks even further.

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12/31/2019 8:59 AM

Thank you all and happy new year!!

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Re: Question on Ignition Coil Wires

01/01/2020 11:37 AM

Most old (antique) vehicles work better with real wire in their "wires." That's what they were designed for, and sending static to radios, etc, was not a concern.

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