Previous in Forum: Hydraulic Motor to Operate Saw Blade for Brush Clearing   Next in Forum: How to Calculate Sommerfeld Number?
Close
Close
Close
16 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 3

Hydrotesting Lines Going from Ground to 52 m Height at Tank Top

01/05/2020 10:05 PM

how to hydrotest and maintain pressure of line at 16barg for a line going from sleeper to tank top of height 52m.

How to overcome pressure difference?

Where to use gauge to read ?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#1

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/05/2020 10:37 PM

..."NFPA 14-2013 11.4.2 states "The hydrostatic test pressure shall be measured at the low elevation point of the individual system or zone being tested." So, you use the gauge reading at the bottom of the standpipe when doing your hydro test.

Don't forget about all the other acceptance tests in NFPA 14."...

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=394333

The pipe probably needs to be sectioned by code...but I suppose this all depends on the size of the pipe and the application...Probably cheaper to just drop the pipe to horizontal and test in sections....

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 3
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/05/2020 10:47 PM

Pipe already erected 20 pipes ,size range from 2inch to 24inch

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/05/2020 11:39 PM

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Hobbies - CNC - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 767
Good Answers: 58
#4
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 3:31 AM

Would be useful to know what type of hydrotest - pressure test or service test. Also, to what standard is the test required?

__________________
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (A.E.)
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 3
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 4:11 AM

Nitrogen lines, test pressure 16bar , 2inch line.

Smallest line is 2" and biggest is 24inch

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 5:07 AM

This isn't DIY stuff, you need to hire a qualified company that specializes in pipe testing...you need specialized equipment and experienced personnel to operate and perform the test...who has determined a hydrostatic test is required at this time and for what reason?

https://globalnitrogenservices.com/services/hydrostatic-testing/

https://www.midwesterncontractors.com/news/2019/04/hydrostatic-testing/

http://www.atlanticnitrogen.com/html/testing.html

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Hobbies - CNC - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 767
Good Answers: 58
#11
In reply to #5

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 11:36 PM

You need to give more information if you want a technically valid response, but some thoughts:

If the 16 bar test pressure that you state is 1.5 times service pressure and the fluid is nitrogen then you have a category B fluid as per ASME B31.3.

If this is the case, then this standard allows you to do a "Service leak test" for tightness of the system. This means that you would test with Nitrogen, starting at a low pressure and increasing pressure in steps until full service pressure is reached.

In this case the elevation of the piping becomes irrelevant.

If the 16 bar test pressure is a legal requirement for the entire system then a pneumatic test may be appropriate, but comes with the inherent risk of the release of stored energy.

Strongly suggest that you get hold of a copy of ASME B31.3 or an equivalent standard and work from that.

__________________
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (A.E.)
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/07/2020 1:39 AM

Category B ??????

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Hobbies - CNC - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 767
Good Answers: 58
#13
In reply to #12

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/07/2020 1:55 AM

Apologies, old age is a bugger - Category D.

(a) Category D Fluid Service: a fluid service in

which all the following apply:

(1) the fluid handled is nonflammable, nontoxic,

and not damaging to human tissues as defined in para.

300.2;

(2) the design gage pressure does not exceed 1035

kPA (150 psi); and

(3) the design temperature is from −29°C (−20°F)

through 186°C (366°F).

__________________
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (A.E.)
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#14
In reply to #11

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/07/2020 1:58 AM
__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#8
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 5:49 AM

Why was the <...Hydrotesting...> not carried out before erection?

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#16
In reply to #2

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/07/2020 5:04 AM

1 mwc = 1.422 PSI. 1 mwc = 1000 kgf/m² 1 atm = 10.33 mwc. 1 bar = 10.2 mwc.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#7
In reply to #1

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 5:29 AM

What the OP is concerned about is that a hydraulic test at the bottom of <...16barg...> on a pipe <...52m...> high will subject the top of the pipe to a little under 11barg during the test.

It would be worth knowing what the maximum pressure of the <...nitrogen...> is under service conditions, which has been withheld from the forum; this is a Process Engineering issue.

The diameter of the lines is of no real relevance.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#9
In reply to #1

Re: Hydrotesting lines going from ground to 52 m height at tank top

01/06/2020 10:18 AM

That's fine as far as it goes, however, were it that simple there might not be a query raised here. The query pushes it over Mechanical Engineering and into the Process Engineering domain; there is something about the just-under-11-barg-hydraulic-test-point on the top of the pipework that is not compatible with the process operating conditions on the <...nitrogen...>; hence the query here.

Until the Original Poster releases more information...

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster #1
#10

Re: Hydrotesting Lines Going from Ground to 52 m Height at Tank Top

01/06/2020 4:31 PM

It sounds as though the job is screwed up.

Register to Reply
Guru
Australia - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2181
Good Answers: 255
#15

Re: Hydrotesting Lines Going from Ground to 52 m Height at Tank Top

01/07/2020 4:24 AM

Well outside my scope!

Not touching this with a 52m pole

__________________
Just an Engineer from the land down under.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Register to Reply 16 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); Just an Engineer (1); PWSlack (3); Rish793 (2); SolarEagle (4); The Prof (3); Whitephone (2)

Previous in Forum: Hydraulic Motor to Operate Saw Blade for Brush Clearing   Next in Forum: How to Calculate Sommerfeld Number?

Advertisement