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When Selecting a Motor, How to Decide Between an Ht or LT Motor?

01/08/2020 10:38 AM

Dear sir,

I want to know the criteria that when we are deciding a motor,how to decide it should be HT motor or LT motor.

What is the selection criteria?

Whether HT motor is advantageous or LT motor is advantageous?

I want to select a 325 KW motor.I want to know whether I should select Ht or LT motor.The drive is required for Vertical coal mill drive in a cement plant.

But,I also want to know for all other applications also,how to decide whether we should go for HT or LT motor.

1.Which is advantageous for power consumption?

2.Which will have more efficiency and less losses?

3.which is costly?

4.What are the PF implications?

5.What is the maintenance costs?

6.What are the cost difference for HT and LT breakers?

7.how much cost difference will be there for HT cables and LT cables?

8.Which motor give reliable running and long life?7

9.For higher starting torque requirement,is there any implication for Ht motor or LT motor?

10.Generally,from what KW rating,HT motors should be preferred?

Request you to give me reply point wise to enable me to understand better.

Thanks.

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Re: When Selecting a Motor, How to Decide Between an Ht or LT Motor?

01/08/2020 11:41 AM

Generally, the end Client's installation and standards will dictate the choice. An HT motor will be generally a bit smaller than an LT one of the same rating, as there will be less copper in it owing to it operating at lower currents.

Power consumption is strongly related to the mechanical torque presented to the motor and the rotational speed, which is the same for the rotating equipment connected to it irrespective of motor voltage selection.

Control gear considerations need to be embraced also.

Generally, the forum does not get involved in <...costly...> considerations as these vary with location, specific installation and currency exchange rates. Further, the use of previously-enjoyed equipment can eliminate some of the options available in the vacuum of an unconstrained environment.

"Horses for courses".

If in doubt, consult a qualified local Electrical Engineer.

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01/08/2020 12:48 PM

You could go either way, depends on the setup....this really requires an electrical engineer on site to evaluate all the variables...

http://www.lmpforum.com/forum/topic/2512-advantages-of-using-ht-motors66kva33kva-vs-lt-motors440v/

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01/09/2020 1:18 AM

Back in the mid 70's, a consultant I worked for did an extensive study of the costs to purchase, install and operate medium voltage motors, including distribution system considerations. The study determined that the cost breakpoint was at 250 horsepower. This is supported in the US by the availability and cost of starting equipment above NEMA Size 5. Not so easy to come by, and it is not cheap to maintain.

This study was for new installations, so determined the design of the entire plant. For an existing installation, usually the determining factor is the availability of the higher voltage, a simple cost estimate for a single motor install. All of your evaluation parameters are valid, but can be widely different for each individual case. Also you need to consider the ability of the owning facility to operate and maintain the alternate voltage equipment.

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01/09/2020 3:46 PM

One question to ask with HT is what are you calling HT for it has many different voltage levels ascribed to HT? 1.1KV, 3.3KV, 6.6KV, 11KV are all voltage rating I have seen used for motor supplies.

Do you have the HV transformer supply at the nominated voltage?

Do you have the HT cabling to connect from the transformer to the switchgear?

Do you have the switchgear and the isolation which has to be designed for the higher voltage? Will you use Vacuum Contactors, low volume oil circuit breakers or whatever for the disconnect device. You need to have mechanical interlocks on the disconnect and the means of earthing.

Do you have procedures to maintain and safely work on the HV supply and suitable isolation processes and trained personnel.

I have worked on 415V motors up to 355 KW so the KW rating of the motor would not be a problem it is just thet they were fed with paralleled cables of suitable rating.

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01/09/2020 9:56 PM

If your facility has no electricians qualified or comfortable working on MV (HT) equipment, then it is best to stay with LV (LT).

I once did a water project using 4160V soft starters for some 500HP pumps and after training all of the electricians on using the controllers, the supervisor asked them if they were all comfortable with it. The lead electrician responded; "Sure, but we are never going to open that box, none of us have been qualified to work on MV gear." Came as a shock to the supervisor. So he sent two of them to training to become MV qualified and when they were done, they insisted on a raise!

On the next project I did for that agency, they insisted on 480V controls, even for the 600HP motors...

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01/12/2020 2:58 AM

1. Selection criteria depends upon so many things such as availability of distribution voltage, capital cost vs running cost ,voltage drop etc. however in general it is advisable to go with hv motor above 200 kw.

2. Hv motor will be more efficient.

3. Hv motor is costly.

4. Not sure for pf

5. More maintenance for LV motors.

6. Hv breaker is more than 2 times costlier in India

7. HV cable size and number of runs will be much less when compared to lv so you will save in cable if you hv motor

8. Hv motor

9. Yes. For high starting torque, you may require slip ring induction motors with LRS or you can get high torque using vfd suitable for this purpose.

10. 200 kw and above.

I personally prefer hv motors above 180 kw however if there's a issue in getting hv supply, you can use lv motors with vfd. For mill duty better to use mv slip ring induction motors .

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