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Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/25/2007 4:26 PM

I'm involved in research on ships' sea chests and their potential to carry unwanted marine species from one place to another. We are looking at treating sea chests with steam or hot water in an attempt to kill or at least repell some of the species that we know inhabit them. The idea is that we may be able to use existing technology to kill two birds with one stone- reduce the carriage of unwanted marine animals and assist in keeping good water flow through the sea chests. Recirculation of hot water is already in use in Ice Class vessels to keep sea chests free of ice.

We're aware that this seemingly simple idea is going to be full of "wrinkles" concerning the way hot water behaves when circulated through a sea chest which leads to my question: can anyone point me in the direction of information about the hydrodynamics of hot water or steam in sea chests please? I imagine there must be a text book or other information that deals with the subject, since recirculation is a requirement for Ice Class vessels, but I'm not sure where to look.

I'd be very grateful for any any comments or suggestions.

Many thanks,

yours faithfully,

Tim Dodgshun,

tim.dodgshun@cawthron.org,nz

Senior Research Technician,

Cawthron Institute,

Private Bag 2,

Nelson,

New Zealand.

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Re: Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/26/2007 7:39 AM

I'm afraid I haven't a clue what a 'sea chest' is...

Maybe you could describe it and then someone might have the answer?

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Re: Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/26/2007 7:53 AM

I'm curious.........

sea chest = ballast tank?

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Re: Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/28/2007 7:20 PM

Thanks Uarizon and my apologies to those who didn't know what a sea chest was. I should have included a quick description in my original message.

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10/26/2007 9:49 AM
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10/26/2007 9:56 AM

Oh fascinating... you learn something new everyday on CR4!!

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Re: Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/26/2007 10:00 AM

Guest,

You missed the May conference at MIT - it was the Fifth International Conference on Marine Bioinvasions.

(I believe an associate of yours presented at the Third conference)

You may want to reach out to some of the members of MIT's marine bioinvaders steering committee. Here is a link to a list of the steering committee members:

http://massbay.mit.edu/exoticspecies/steering.html

In addition, here is a link to a document (also at MIT), discussing some ballast water treatment options:

http://massbay.mit.edu/resources/pdf/ballast-treat.pdf

They discuss the use of hot water, but not steam...

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Re: Recirculated hot water in sea chests

10/26/2007 3:58 PM

Guest,

Thats a very good indeavour,

But trying to kill two birds with one stone is difficult to say the least, compromies would occur.

When I work at a shipyard I had thought about that but at that time introducing foreign speciies was not a problem at the time. (funny how one has to wait till its a problem when if proactive one could not have even had this problems)

I have thought about it Do not know how hot the water is, or what is need to repell or expell the foreign species.

I suggest to list what types of species you want to expell, and see if there is a common factor with each. And go from there. This may take more research on your part, But It's more reliable that a silver bullet that what you are asking.

The experience that I had, was manufacturing the components of a ship which included the seachest.

But one thing you can look at is material that the seachest is made from. ( a reaction to a type of material to water), and also I take it that this is for freshwater.

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on a lighter note, make sure you have the key to the seachest before you do anything

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10/28/2007 9:09 PM

How about gassing? A percolation of undesirable gas could be worth looking into.

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10/29/2007 8:09 AM

A seachest is usaully flooded?

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10/29/2007 4:21 PM

Yes sea chests are underwater and so flooded at all times.

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