Does Ibuprofen Make Covid-19 Symptoms Worse?

The guy in the video in link 1 said "Call your doctor if you have questions."

Doctor WHO?

Doctor WHO now has a face:

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-quarantine-coronavirus-politics-after-trump-threatens-to-defund-2020-4

I'm happy someone is willing to question the sacred cow status of the WHO. If we don't have these conversations no one will ever really know what's going on.

hmmm...

Like my dad was fond of saying, "There's a reason they call it the practice of medicine."

They inhibit antibody production....but is is also probably toxic to viruses...so there is good and bad....but wait there's more

From the first link:

"Info from Vienna's lab studying COVID-19 say VAST MAJORITY of people who died had ibuprofen/Advil in their system,"

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That seems to be the main evidence being used to conclude that NSAIDS might be causing complications.

Correlation is not causation. All those who died also had several other substances in their systems in common,and this still does not suggest those substances made things worse. Water, O2, CO2, glucose, electrolytes, etc. Many of them may have had some sort of broth of soup in their stomachs having recently eaten a little, yet soup is an unlikely culprit.

Even when we find some commonality among the 9000+ dead from COVID it means nothing without looking at the 85000 who have recovered.

Almost every auto accident occurs between vehicles riding on tires inflated with 75% or greater % N2. If we understand that almost every vehicle that hasn't been in an accident also rides on tires inflated with 75+% N2 then it is easy to conclude the N2 inflation probably is not causative, even without having alternate sources to verify all of the accidents used nitrogen.

And I had some guy tell me that he got better gas mileage when his tires were inflated with pure nitrogen. He said all the NASCAR drivers did it. I asked him if the tire shop pulled a hard vacuum on the tires before they filled them with nitrogen. After a long pause and a blank stare, I just said, "OK" and went on about my business. It was a win-win situation. The tire shop pocketed an extra $40 and he was happier with his tires. Some things are just better left alone.

Well, majority of air is already made out of N2, adding a little makes a difference at least in the mind, a relief. But there's still selling that these days.

There's far too much misinformation out there, some provided by our own government, to draw any conclusions. This post only adds confusion.

Here, in Arizona, you have to display major symptoms to get the test. I know this for fact.

The lack of preparedness is inexcusable!!!

Yes, sadly there is far too much misinformation out there. A lot of that misinformation is very professionally presented, too.

If you wish to hear how we got here, then the author of "World War Z" and "The Zombie Survival Guide", Max Brooks, had an interesting interview on Fresh Air. He is so respected in his studies on pandemics that he has lectured about them at West Point.

We are swimming upstream against a tidal wave of arrogance, ignorance and little or no support form the mods. to keep it open and moderate the lunacy being presented here by those who still have their collective heads up their butts.

Hush, the truth IS political and it is HERE on cr4. Just overwhelmed by deniers!

Politics my a$$, I WANT TO LIVE!

Hello,

I'm a little lost on this one.

• Who is Homer meant to represent?
• Who are the family meant to represent? (The American people, the rest of the world? ….) They look so unhappy.

Obviously he's being taken away for some quiet time.

I think that it's lost a little in the interpretation to those of us not from your side of the water.

if you must

• Who is Homer meant to represent? An over reacting and unstable personalities
• Who are the family meant to represent? CR4 community

And the guys in the white are CR4 administrators.

I'm getting back to the original question on the use of ibuprofen for Covid-19 symptoms.

First, CR4 is an open, barely controlled forum on engineering concerns; not medicine nor pandemics. Since nothing is formally vetted here, even when the topic is engineering, don't rely on anything you read here. Particularly anything here that can affect your health. (In other words, just like a video game, CR4 is just a waste of time.)

It might seem wrong to not use a medication that brings relief of disease symptoms but I do understand why this can be true. Often the discomforting symptom is precisely the mechanism the body naturally uses and succeeds in fighting an infectious agent. Thus by suppressing the uncomfortable symptom the disease can survive longer in a host. When the host is more comfortable but the disease is still thriving in that host the infectious agent has more opportunity to spread to another host. Thus many cold medications end up aiding in spreading a cold far and wide for many take the medication so they can still go about their daily activities. Now that is a sinister marketing model.

Sometimes the bodies runaway response is how an infectious agent kills the host. Often the only way to balance this paradox is by someone other than the infected host identifying the nature of the disease and the state of the symptoms in order to proscribe the best course of action.

I doubt ibuprofen makes Covid-19 symptoms worse for if they did most people would not repeat a second dose. I suspect suppressing a symptom with ibuprofen makes the disease worse by allowing it to thrive longer in a host.

Seek medical advice only from professionals!

I'm sorry, but you're not living in the real world.

https://www.factinate.com/things/medical-practices-doctors/

Seeking Medical Advice from a professional is one thing. I agree with that.

Seeking an explanation of what is happening from a medical professional is another. And that’s is, for the most part what is happening here on CR4 on the Biomechanics/Biomed blog.

and it’s foolish to try to shut this down on an already overburden medical field.

one still have to be prudent, that can only be done by the individual.

All respect to you and sons, but anything starting along the lines of 'a link to a guy who said he knew a doctor and a nurse ' goes straight in my bin.

It’s anecdotally, we all have or do that. Some even call it experience.

when I was on blood thinners, you need to be careful with anything that either inhibits clotting (aka vitamin K blockers as was told to me by my doctor ) or encourage clotting. Diet plays a big part.

“ Ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, or generic equivalents) belongs to a group of drugs known as NSAIDs.

NSAIDs work by blocking a specific group of enzymes called cyclo-oxygenase enzymes (COX enzymes). These enzymes are involved in the production of prostaglandins which control many different processes such as inflammation, blood flow, and the formation of blood clots.”

swerving way off topic... kinda, using grapefruit juice to take you medicine is not recommended.

Fair play to ya, Phoenix. We are all very much stuck in a position of what advise to follow. Stay well. These times will pass and I suspect it will be quite some time before any of us can look back and know what were right or otherwise decisions. Hope it's not a 'told you so' situation. As long as we continue with discourse it will not be so. CR4 is one of the rare places on the internet where civil chat continues.

The link sounds very convincing. That particular son seems to believe any link of the sort. I have learned to find links with a different opinion and weigh them out. The refutation of Ibuprofen not doing it was not very convincing, like "There have been no studies for this." Of course not (for a number of reasons). Stay safe, and God be with you over there and with us over here.

Why concerns about ibuprofen?

British Medical Journal

Some young and otherwise healthy covid patients who ended up in ICU very sick after using ibuprofen. Doctors and scientists agreed it made sense, and advised against the drug.

On this side of the pond, the doctors consulted have downplayed the risk. Not enough data etc etc. Sorry but for my money, a cautionary choice on the side of *don't risk make yourself sicker* is more important than making pretty face for the maker/seller of ibuprofen.

As long as you have other effective alternatives, yes, I agree.

I am still occasionally taking ibuprofen when my sciatica acts up because it works as an anti-inflammatory that acetaminophen would not provide the same type of relief. But, am not currently showing any symptoms of Corona either. If I did, you can bet I'd live with an achy butt for a few weeks.

My DIL is in the same boat, with ibuprofen the med that works for severe migraine. That's all fine if you're staying home and are not developing symptoms of covid-19! Using it for fever, cough, shortness of breath etc after a risk of exposure though, is not a risk that I would take.

Eek...I have a reworded Billy Rae Cyrus song stuck in my head !

Sorry squire.

The play on words was too much to resist and gave me a good chuckle. Hope all is well for everyone, though it inevitably will not be so.

Public health issues are bad everywhere, but there will come a time when governments need to recover expenditure. After health, there will be economic afterquakes for a very long time.

Due to a pre-existing lung condition I'm just avoiding going beyond bounds of my own house. So far so good. I'm lucky to be able to do so.

GA, and thanks for the link. I see that paracetamol is acetaminophen. That's what it is called here. I usually don't like it, but in this case it will be my preference.