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Intermittent Blowdown Requirements

04/04/2020 3:30 AM

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I am a student and working on my M.Tech (Thermal Engg.) project. Plz recommend good literature on basis of performing intermittent blowdown and factors affecting its frequency. In one of the discussions on this site, I found that for 65 bar pressure, maximum limit of boiler water TDS is 500 ppm. However, I did not find this in either ABMA nor ASME standards. Is there any other standard that I need to follow?

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Re: Intermittent blowdown requirements

04/04/2020 3:42 AM

Use an on-line bookselling service to find texts on boiler management, perhaps?

The frequency of blowdown is related to the level of total dissolved solids [TDS] in the feed water, the TDS setpoint for blowdown, the volume of water in the boiler and the rate of generation of steam. It is a back-of-the-envelope calculation that gives a near-enough sort of answer.

Boiler feed water needs to be scavenged of oxygen and held at a slightly alkaline pH to ensure boiler longevity.

There’s loads more in the many texts to be found.

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04/04/2020 8:46 AM

Thank you so much.

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04/04/2020 10:41 AM

TDS is usually fudged by using conductivity, which is easily measured in real time.

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04/08/2020 4:55 PM

TDS is usually fudged by using conductivity, which is easily measured in real time.

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04/04/2020 10:28 AM

GA, similarly on a cooling tower the same can be done, water quality can pretty consistent, it can be put on a timer.

any adjustment can be done after periodically inspections with your chemical rep.

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04/04/2020 10:31 PM

So the limit of feedwater solids is perhaps set by the actual boiler manufacturer, tube metallurgy and design, and not set at all by ASME or ABME? Lots of good advice on how to control solids, but not much about the actual target, the original question...

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04/04/2020 11:34 PM

Actually in the power stations where I worked they did not scavenge the O2 but added it to the water to change the chemistry so that the inside of the tubes became coated with ferric oxide as it had been found that the ferric oxide, I believe it was Fe3O4 coated the tubes and reduced the pitting of the tubes at the boiling interface.

These were subcritical water tube boilers. The feed water had been feed through a RO plant and then treated with anionic and cationic resins to remove any unwanted particles before the actual boiler chemistry additions were added.

Boiler blow downs were only conducted when a boiler was brought on line after a repair or shutdown and the blowdown was checked for foreign matter.

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04/05/2020 2:18 AM

Dear Mr.Swaleha,

Welcome to CR4 and warm greetings as new entrant this month. You will learn a lot in this forum which has members of highly knowledgeable, vast experience people in their field. The general expectation is you should contribute more to this forum and your society – contribute more than what you have recd., from the society.

Well. The blow-down of drum water (as you have studied) of the modern boilers is of 2 types, one is continuous blow-down and the other one is intermittent blow-down. This blow-down quantity is decided or calculated based on the TDS of the Boiler Feed Water and the desired TDS level in the drum water.

If you refer the old standard Text books, (in FPS Units) the TDS level will come down as the boiler working pressure increases and it is as follows.

1. Working Pressure of Boiler up to 150 p.s.i. -- 3000 ppm.

2. “ “ 151 to 300 p.s.i. -- 2500 ppm.

3. “ “ 301 to 450 p.s.i. – 2000 ppm.

4. “ “ 451 to 600 p.s.i. – 1500 ppm.

5. “ “ 601 to 750 p.s.i. – 1000 ppm.

6. “ “ 751 to 900 p.s.i. -- 500 ppm.

7. “ “ 900 to 1200 psi. -- 250 ppm.

8. “ “ 1201 to 1750 psi. -- 100 ppm.

9. “ “ 1751 to 2500 psi. -- 50 ppm.

10. Next pressure Range goes to super critical pressure above3200 psi (OR) 220.5 Kg./cm^2 g (OR) 216.09 bar and modern Boilers go to as high as 650 bar pressure where TDS should be zero.

Since the above pressure shown in the table is in p.s.i, devide thr (p.s.i) by 14.2 to convert to KG./cm^2, Example: (150 psi./14.2) = 10.22 Kg/cm^2. Generally the feed water will have a TDS of 2ppm and even less depending upon the treatment of water, returning condensate etc., In your case the boiler pressure is 65 bar equal to 66.32 Kg./cm^2 (or) 941. 83 psi which is closer to 900 psi. Hence you can adopt a TDS slightly lesser than 500 approximately 450 ppm.

Lesser TDS means more blow-down quantity which translates to higher energy loss and more treated water or make up-water to be used. Energy loss means fuel cost will go up. We have to strike a balance between efficiency/fuel cost, water treatment cost etc.

My suggestion will be use a heat exchanger to recover the heat from the out-going blow-down water by the in-coming make-up water or return- condensate. I am sure your boiler installation will have a flash vapor recovery system from the blow-down water, and after flash the vapor should go to De-Aerator and balance water through a heat exchanger and after recovering the heat the exit water should go back to the storage tank from where the water will go to the water treatment plant.

The blow-down water is from the drum having more or less same quality of feed water except for a higher TDS value which can be removed by treatment plant and definitely lesser TDS value than your raw water.

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04/06/2020 4:19 AM

<...Lesser TDS [setpoint] means more blow-down quantity...>.

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04/06/2020 4:22 AM

One also needs to look at silica content in the feedwater. A bu&&er to get rid of, silica contributes nothing to conductivity and coats heat exchange surfaces that are subject to evaporation. Although silica is mildly soluble in steam, it tends to remain in the boiler and appear in the sludge during blowdown and washout.

It's all in the many boiler management texts to be found.

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Re: Intermittent Blowdown Requirements

04/06/2020 11:50 PM

Thank you everyone for your comments.

Supposedly I am a boiler manufacturer and I have the feed water TDS details provided by the proprietor. Boiler water TDS limits are determined based upon the operating pressure of the boiler. So, I can determine Blowdown %.

Let's say my operating pressure is 126.033 kg/cm2 and feed water TDS is 0.55 ppm. So the blowdown % shall be (0.55/(50-0.55))*100 = 1.11. Also, the steam flow rate is 354960 kg/hr. Under these circumstances, how can we decide whether continuous blowdown shall be better or manual blowdown shall be better?

If at all we choose continuous blowdown, is it still essential to periodically go for manual blowdown?

Plz correct me if am wrong anywhere.

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04/07/2020 12:13 AM

You could set a baseline continuous blowdown, provide heat recovery equipment sized for that flow, and then use intermittent blowdown to handle variations in feedwater quality. If the quality is really consistent, you can size your heat recovery equipment to minimize the heat loss & fuel cost for blowdown, and trim the blowdown rate as needed. For large upsets, manual blowdown can be used, and you haven’t invested in heat recovery equipment that will be underutilized. You really need to know the value of your feedwater, and invest according to your financial guidelines, as stated by DHAYANANAHN.S

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04/07/2020 12:24 AM

Okay. Thank you so much sir.

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04/07/2020 4:44 AM

It is possible to blow down on the basis of conductivity as well as time on fixed installations, meaning that <...manual blowdown...> is unnecessary. It is usually only an activity on less sophisticated boilers on mobile equipment, and much of it now of a heritage flavour:

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