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All Requirements for a Pressure Vessel Under ASME Sec 8 Div I

05/14/2020 6:47 PM

Hello,

This is my first post, and thanks in advance for reading this topic.

In fact by reading in ASME sec 8 Div-I and the output reports received from vessels manufacturers from either compress software or PV elite, I can see some commons which I could make out, for example lets assume a vertical vessel with cylindrical shell, and 2:1 S.E. heads, with internal pressure = X, and atmospheric external pressure, standing on a skirt....

I do understand that for both heads, and for shell, we need to find thickness due to internal pressure.

allowable S is found from sec II , D , for applicable material.

then we need to check also against external pressure, by finding Pa after finding A then from corresponding chart getting B value.

wind load : found wind force , found moment at bottom of skirt and top of it (seam with shell), then just compared that with allowable stress of skirt compared to (M/pi*Ro2*t) … is that enough for wind ?

saw also that Bergman paper , found stress ratio ,,, but what is that really, but is that all for combined loads?

Iam quite confused with stresses and what stresses are enough for a hand calculation (required just for my understanding and to know what is going on)...

I can see that other combined loads are being checked, what stresses are required to be checked? is the allowable stress found from sec-II material tables different from other figures CS-2 for example... I guess reading a lot is confusing me.

would appreciate re-arranging my thoughts...

Thank you

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Re: All requirements for a pressure vessel under ASME sec 8 Div I

05/14/2020 8:15 PM

Perhaps you should design a pressure vessel for this class and a specific use and see if you run into any snags...You seem to be trying to skip the actual process of learning by doing part of education...

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Re: All requirements for a pressure vessel under ASME sec 8 Div I

05/15/2020 3:06 AM

Also, it would be uncommon for a vessel to be designed and proceed into construction without a second person "sanity" check on the design drawings and calculations. Engage the help of a Mentor at the facility who can advise and guide, and provide the sanity check. Any errors in the design will be flushed out at this stage.

Also, it would be uncommon for a vessel to be designed and constructed without reference to the organisation's current standard procedures and design history. A review here of previous vessels built will flush out any errors in the design of the current one at this stage.

Also, the design will need to be checked by the Engineer/Surveyor from the company that is to provide burst/collapse indemnity insurance cover on the equipment. Any errors in the design will be flushed out at this stage.

Also, the vessel will need its final hydraulic test to be witnessed by the Engineer/Surveyor as above. Any errors in the design will be flushed out at this stage.

So it's a long way from going BANG just yet.

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Re: All Requirements for a Pressure Vessel Under ASME Sec 8 Div I

05/15/2020 7:24 AM

If you are trying to read only ASME VIII and review a computer analysis output, you are not reading enough.

This is a complex subject and people devote their lives to specialize in it ..

I suggest that you purchase some of the fine books about pressure vessel design and find a mentor.

https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Vessel-Handbook-Eugene-Megyesy/dp/0914458248

https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Vessel-Design-Manual-Dennis/dp/0123870003/ref=pd_lpo_14_t_1/147-2178633-3510826?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0123870003&pd_rd_r=806610c9-677c-41a1-9b88-7022f31a9cc2&pd_rd_w=cX7j8&pd_rd_wg=26izI&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=W3BPJTW662YH2D7D8T3V&psc=1&refRID=W3BPJTW662YH2D7D8T3V

https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Vessel-Design-Handbook-Bednar/dp/0442213859/ref=pd_sbs_14_2/147-2178633-3510826?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0442213859&pd_rd_r=a28ef584-0f44-4122-89d8-444423a9126c&pd_rd_w=OV9v5&pd_rd_wg=AGjYU&pf_rd_p=d13bb895-21d3-4e96-94a7-553aaae51224&pf_rd_r=A11BY9SN9A9VSGJRSVS9&psc=1&refRID=A11BY9SN9A9VSGJRSVS9

These are the three best in my opinion ...

Now, I believe that you should respect us and not drop this thread once you get what you want ..

What are you trying to do ?...

Do you have a vessel that you are trying to design and what sets of codes, standards and rules do you intend to use ?

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Re: All Requirements for a Pressure Vessel Under ASME Sec 8 Div I

05/15/2020 7:41 AM

hi ,

thanks alot for all your replies.

@MJcronin : I do respect all of you certainly!! Although your post is quite helpful, however its quite angry towards its end I guess ..

I do understand its a big subject, and I didn't come here to get 2 replies and become an ASME Engineer out of that.

the intention is to understand those design calculations reports of existing vessels in a refinery , try some of that manually to get an idea how the thickness is found against Asme sec 8 div 1.

so far I was able to understand that you get a thickness required for internal pressure for heads and shell (and necks of nozzles), then check against external pressure as well.

calculate wind and seismic loads,

but I do have an issue understanding combinations of those in those calculations.. so I was seeking something like steps wise what to be checked to say the thickness found is good to go..

thnx

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05/16/2020 2:15 PM

<...to understand those design calculations reports of existing vessels in a refinery...>

The underlying principles and standards for those will be found referenced in the documents themselves otherwise the documents are no better than toilet roll.

However, no design report is going to give the full picture, because as any vessel ages it will erode and corrode away slightly. So the additional documentation needed is the periodic inspection reports carried out by the equipment's insurers in support of burst/collapse/business-loss indemnity insurance cover on the equipment. There should be a file containing these somewhere on the premises and in the UK it is known as the General Register. Ask the Maintenance Manager at the facility to read a copy of it.

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05/16/2020 2:36 PM

Thanks for all the help

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