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UPS 24VDC o/p 40A Rating

07/06/2020 4:35 AM

I am looking to reduce the current cost of our Electrical LV Panel and one thing that is adding excess cost is Power supply unit. We have 4 units whose details are mentioned below. Location - India; All are single phase 50Hz units.

Device ID

Requirement

Device Description

Total Load

PS1Powering UPSPower Supply 100 VAC -240VAC I/P, 24VDC 20A O/P15A
PS3Powering 24VDC Components like Microcontrollers, Sensorsthis is a UPS with battery backup option. 2 numbers of 12V VRLA batteries are Placed in series. Input voltage to ups is 24VDC I/P from PS1., 24VDC O/P, 20A 480W.15A
PS4Powering 24VDC LED and ADC component of Microcontroller24VDC-DC Converter 14.6A O/P. The Input is given from the above PS3 UPS for this10A
PS2Powering 24VDC FansSwitching Power Supply 350.4W 24V 14.6A Redundant Function.10A

Total Max Load from UPS is 30A.

The idea here is to convert All these requirement needs to be into a single UPS with Battery backup option, 230VAC Input to 24VDC Fixed O/P, 40A, UPS with Battery backup option

The Battery Back-up needs to 65AH 12vdc, 2 Batteries in series.

Now the Question here

1) What are the Pros and cons of using this setup from a technical Point of view

i have mentioned some of it below

Advantages

Disadvantages

1) Cost Reduction when explored with alternate manufacturers 2) Reduction in Device Dimension and hence Space Reduction inside the Panel1) Individual maintenance and diagnostics of each part of the UPS cannot be done. Any Problem with the UPS will result in complete power shutdown and Business interruption 3) Part replacement will be expensive 4) Separate Fan Power control is not Possible

2) Has anyone come across the above type of UPS, if so need little details about it.

3) Any links on Mechanical and technical aspects will be appreciated.

PS: i have googled and sent some queries to UPS manufacturers.

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Re: UPS 24VDC o/p 40A rating

07/06/2020 12:25 PM

It’s unclear from your description if you need the AC backup, or if that is just to supply the DC power supplies. If just for the DC power supplies, use a DC UPS, basically a DC power supply that is AC in, 24VDC out, connected to a battery bank and management system. No need for the entire DC to AC inverter in there just to be rectifying it back to DC. Most of the larger industrial DC power supply manufacturers offer that.

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Re: UPS 24VDC o/p 40A rating

07/07/2020 12:42 AM

Thank you Jraef.

I apologize for being unclear.

The current System is 3Phase 4 Wire +E, 415VAC.

From one of the Phases, Power is taken to a AC-DC converter (PS1).

The Converted DC is then fed to DC UPS (PS3), which has 24VDC i/p and 24VDC o/p with battery backup.

From the UPS, it is going to DC DC Converter (PS4) where input is 21-28VDC but output is Fixed 24VDC... This is for some of the Microcontroller components which require no more than 24VDC and no less.

Also from one of the Phase supply, Power goes to a AC-DC SMPS (PS2) which powers DC Fans 24VDC.

The idea is to Replace all these into a Single Unit which has to be effective and Reliable.

If the above is not Possible then atleast we need to try to replace PS1, PS3 and PS4 into a single component. this will be then a 240VAC i/p , 24vdc o/p fixed, 20A

Any ideas there?

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Re: UPS 24VDC o/p 40A Rating

07/07/2020 7:19 AM

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