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What is so Special About 4.669?

08/23/2020 10:08 AM

Interesting link that explains it,and many other things....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovJcsL7vyrk

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08/23/2020 11:16 AM

Thanks, quite interesting. A lot of pretty art comes out of that little equation!

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08/23/2020 11:29 AM

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08/24/2020 12:44 AM

Please elaborate whatever connection there may be between the photo and 4.669 and/or the Mandelbrot set. It's certainly not obvious to me!

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08/24/2020 1:13 AM

Just click on the picture....

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08/24/2020 1:41 AM

How was I supposed to know to do that?

At 4.6L, It's short by 0.069L.

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08/24/2020 5:01 AM

If you carry the number out to 30 decimal places,it is δ = 4.669 201 609 102 990 671 853 203 820 466...

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08/23/2020 1:06 PM

thoroughly enjoyed that.

If I were allowed to take in that type of material instead of listen to teachers who didn't know how to teach me.. I might have enjoyed and excelled with math.

...maybe

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08/23/2020 2:05 PM

Some of these guys on YouTube are really outstanding. I've recently been watching Matt O'Dowd on PBS Space Time.

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08/24/2020 4:56 AM

With the wonderful teaching aids and graphics now available,that were not even imagined 50 years ago one can inspire and fascinate children with very sophisticated knowledge,and it will be easily and readily assimilated by most.

With good teachers,all students will be brought up to the same level,but there must be discipline in the classes.

Personal tutoring may sometimes be required for some students, that although they may be "slow" to grasp certain concepts,will excel later on the same matter.

I have seen this many times.

Sometimes the "slowness" is a case of analyzing deeply in order to become comfortable with the concept.

Einstein was such a case.

He was labeled a "dullard" by teachers due to his failure in math,but look what happened later in his life.

A famous mathematician had an appointment with A.E to explain a new theory,and he was very nervous,fearful of making a mistake in front of the famous genius, writing formulas on the board at a furious rate,hardly taking a breath.

Albert said "Slow down.. explain it please.. I learn thoroughly,not quickly."

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08/24/2020 4:37 AM

Students never fail...only teachers.

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08/24/2020 11:53 AM

I wouldn't say "Students never fail.", but it is definitely true that teachers also fail. I know I was a good teacher for those students who were technically inclined, but definitely not so good for those who weren't.

I don't believe it's even possible for any one person to be a good teacher for all of his/her students. There are just too many different ways in which different brains process information. Unfortunately, no one taught that (if it was known) when I had my teacher training, ≈60 years ago.

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08/24/2020 12:12 PM

So, with that said, That saying of “Noone left behind is not true.”

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08/24/2020 12:36 PM

Correct, unless a good variety of teachers with different thinking processes of their own are available, and some appropriate method of determining which students should be paired with which teachers, is successfully employed.

I suspect that this could only be feasible in large school districts, if at all.

Then I must add another MAJOR factor: parents/guardians. Virtually all of my best students had parents who were significantly involved in the education of their offspring. If the parents don't motivate them, there is a very low probability of success.

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08/24/2020 4:24 PM

I always felt that one can’t leave it to the teacher,... the student needs to pull its own weight also...

I had good teachers and bad from grade school through college.... I took the position with a poor instructor,... especially in college, that it’s up to you, to do your own research and work to carry it through the class... it taught me well. A lesson that when your in the work force... it’s up to you.

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08/26/2020 9:40 AM

You can't raise every student to the same level of education, you can perhaps raise each student eventually to a similar level of expertise is their chosen field though...We should start training students to work in a particular field as soon as they learn the basics of reading, math and communication....as an option, of course, and in close association with a guidance counselor...but it would lower the classroom count and give relief to a lot of students who are bored out of their minds....There should be three levels, (basic, intermediate and advanced) of all classroom and shop instruction...and students should be allowed to be moved up or down in level as performance dictates....

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08/26/2020 11:01 AM

"We should start training students to work in a particular field as soon as they learn the basics of reading, math and communication....as an option, of course, and in close association with a guidance counselor...but it would lower the classroom count and give relief to a lot of students who are bored out of their minds...."

How does one (the student, his/her counsellor, parents) decide on a field of concentration, when the student has yet to be exposed to a variety of fields?

Perhaps some day it will be possible to scan a child's brain and discover some aptitudes and/or strengths and weaknesses to guide such a choice, but that day isn't here yet, to my knowledge.

Lowering the classroom count is definitely desirable, but expensive. And of course teacher's pay is generally too low to attract the very best people to become teachers. I've been out of the classroom for a quarter of a century now, so I have very little idea of what is occurring now, but my take at the time I left was that too much of the district's budget was being spent on administrators, and too little on teachers and infrastructure.

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08/26/2020 11:43 AM

You give the child a choice, would you rather do this or that? You're not doing well currently, would you like to try this? There is not likely to be more than a dozen choices, so by process of elimination you find the environment the child is comfortable in and does well...The teacher only needs to guide and supply the means of accomplishing the goal of successful learning and proficiency....at least the child would have some learned skill with which to deploy in the real world or to continue to pursue in further training and education...

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08/26/2020 2:42 PM

that’s not the true answer, but That’s a start...

On a similar note, what I experienced when I went to college, a lot of the freshmen changed majors by their sophomore/junior year,... the later They changed, more expensive their education was. Because they could not apply the credits already earned in their new field.

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08/25/2020 9:47 AM

no one left behind means that everyone else needs to wait for them.

it is a failed concept and is not fair for those who excel.

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08/23/2020 1:48 PM

Mandelbrotting the covid19 virus in 4D space/time....

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08/24/2020 5:02 AM

Even the fractal looks dangerous.

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08/24/2020 2:07 PM

Well, it's more of an artistic representation than the actual footprint....

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08/24/2020 5:09 AM

Care to do this for the human population on this planet?

This does not work in reverse,like with one's genetic ancestry,it always doubles every generation going backward,so the gene pool turns into an ocean rather quickly;therefor everyone is really related to everyone else,no matter how far separated by distance.

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08/24/2020 2:25 PM

Well I would say all life is related, at least on this planet....surely there is some commonality among all DNA...which means we all sprang from some lowly microbe...

Slowly evolved...

...and became the handsome creatures we are today...

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08/25/2020 6:38 AM

"Surely there is some commonality among all DNA"

Yes People often state that we share 99% of our DNA with Chimps and bonobos, but they fail to point out that we share 50% of our DNA with carrots!!

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08/25/2020 8:33 AM

Carrot man...

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I was referring to those that claim a unique ancestry,but there is none.

As I stated,if one takes the number 2 to just the 20th power,it is into the millions.allowing 20 years for each generation goes back only to the 1600's.

20 more generations(the 1200's) and you are into the trillions,and that is for Each person.

No need to go to the microbe stage.

We are related to everyone we pass on the street.

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08/23/2020 4:40 PM

I've seen the Mandelbrot fractal and the bifurcation diagram before, but this is the first time I have ever seen them connected. Nice!

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