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Yellow Phase of VT Secondary Earth

09/07/2020 2:09 AM

Good morning gentlemen.

I was poring over drawings of our 6.6kV metalclad switchgear (NEI Reyrolle) and saw something i didn't see before.

The yellow phase (L2) of VT secondary is earthed instead of its STAR point or neutral. This VT's primary is connected to main 6.6kV busbar which steps down 6.6kV to 100Vac, from which then two leads Red(L1) and Blue(L3) are taken to a transformer (inside a different panel) which steps it up from 100Vac to 110Vac, which is then fed to an auto-synchronizer (as bus voltage).

There is another VT, but for the generator, which has two secondary windings, both of which are in STAR and separate from each other. One winding for protection relays and other for metering and synchronization (to the same auto-synchronizer as above) of generator to the bus. However, like above, both windings have their L2 (Yellow phase) grounded, instead of the Star or neutral point.

I wanted to know the reason for this. Is this any old British standard or practice? Or is there any advantage?

L1-n and L3-n were found to be 50-60Vac and n-L2 was found zero volts.

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Re: Yellow Phase of VT Secondary Earth

09/07/2020 9:04 AM

This sounds like it's stepped down for some unknown requirement, perhaps a control voltage or for powering monitoring equipment, or perhaps for making coffee, who knows....I don't see anything unusual, they just needed a neutral for the circuit, where else would you get one....This is going from 3Ø to a split phase supply and would supply 50v- 60v- 100v or 120 volts...

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Re: Yellow Phase of VT Secondary Earth

09/07/2020 10:10 AM

I'm sorry I put the question the wrong way and put too much detail.

I wanted to know why the 6.6kV/100V VT secondary Yellow phase is grounded for both metering and protection circuits and star neutral point is kept afloat.

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09/07/2020 10:24 AM

Yeah that's probably a code requirement, for safety....You wouldn't want a higher voltage source bleeding over to a lower voltage circuit in case of short...the neutral is probably grounded slightly upstream....

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09/08/2020 12:33 AM

Maybe not enough detail. How many potential transformers do you have, and are you sure they are connected in star on the primary? Normal practice is to use 2 PTs connected in open delta, and Phase 2 is grounded for safety, to tie either Phase 1 & 3 at a fixed offset of 120V to Earth.

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09/08/2020 5:42 AM

One bus, divided in two sections coupled via a bus-coupler (breaker). There are four generators, two on each bus section.

There are two 6.6kV/100V VT's - one each bus section. Both primary and secondary is star connected. Primary connected to bus thru fuses. Secondary star point (Neutral) is afloat while yellow phase (L2) is grounded. The VT's provide voltage (L1 and L3) both for metering and auto-synchroniser.

The VT's on each generator are also same configuration as above. Only difference is that they have two secondary windings. One set of windings for AVR and other for protection relays & metering. But both secondary windings have their yellow phases grounded, but not the star neutral. And yes, all four generators have a 12Ohm neutral ground resistor.

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Edit: Refer to VT2 in both drawings

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09/08/2020 10:39 AM

Supplying 3 potential transformers in each measurement location is unusual in U.S. practice, in switchgear. Normal is 2 connected open delta with phase 2 grounded. Supplying 3 transformers does make it easy to furnish polarizing voltage for ground fault detection on ungrounded systems, plus there is no phase shift with relays & meters, current vs voltage.

You should be able to ground any leg you want on the secondary of your PTs, just don’t ground the neutral also. I suspect the leg is grounded for personnel safety, and they chose to make it similar to the open delta de facto standard.

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09/08/2020 2:28 AM

This is common practice in olden days with high resistance grounded or isolated systems.

Intention is the earth fault protection at generator terminals which is set sensitive should not maloperate for a phase-to-ground fault in VT secondary wiring.

IEEE 242 (Buff book) on protection & IEEE C37.101 & 102 on generator protection discuss this further.

If the earth faut protection is delayed, the y-phase grounding can be exempted.

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09/08/2020 5:59 AM

Isn't grounding one phase of secondary of VT same as producing a phase-to-ground fault??

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09/08/2020 12:08 PM

That's is true if the star point is also grounded.

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09/10/2020 10:19 AM

...and not a <...fault...> in that case, because it is intentional.

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09/08/2020 5:28 PM

Is this thread constrained to <...gentlemen...> for any particular reason or can others reply if they aren’t?

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09/08/2020 6:50 PM

I think we’re a very tolerant organization...

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09/09/2020 2:02 AM

Haha

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09/10/2020 10:21 AM

Rude.

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