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Flying over North Pole

02/06/2006 1:35 PM

Ashwin writes:
Considering a capacity filled commercial airline, why not fly over the north pole to reach New York from New Delhi in India?

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02/06/2006 1:59 PM

This is pure speculation, but I think the issue would be that once the plane got past central Russia, there would be no airports to land it should there be a technical problem. And if the plane had to crash land, exposure temperatures would be difficult for survivors and the response time from rescuers wouldn't exactly be rapid.

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Re:Nowhere to ditch

02/07/2006 3:41 AM

I am an ex SAS employe. Read the article below: Quote: Sweden's air carriers, ABA (Aktiebolaget Aerotransport) & SLA (Svensk Intercontinental Lufttraffik) merged with Norway's national air carrier DNL (Det Norske Luftfartselskap) and Danish national air carrier, DDL (Danske Luftfartselskap AB) to form a new airline on August 1, 1946 called OSAS (Overseas SAS). OSAS was renamed SAS (Scandinavian Airlines System). After delivery of its first DC-6B early in 1952, on November 19, 1952 SAS made an exploratory flight over the North Pole flying from Long Beach CA via Thule Greenland to Copenhagen Denmark. The DC-6B became the first commercial airplane to fly over the Polar region. Then on May 23, 1953 SAS's DC-6B piloted by chief pilot, Mikal Aschim made a commercial flight round-the-world departing from Oslo Norway to Thule Greenland and onward westerly with stops in Alaska, Aleutian Islands, Tokyo Japan, Manila Philippines, Bangkok Thailand, Karachi Pakistan, Beirut Lebanon, Rome Italy, Frankfurt Germany, Copenhagen Denmark returning to Oslo Norway on May 29, 1953. Carried on this flight were forty medical staff rotational personnel to support NORMASH (Norwegian Mobile Army Surgical Hospital). The task of NORMASH was to position itself behind the Korean War battle lines to give immediate first surgical treatment to injured soldiers. In 1954 SAS became the first airline to fly a scheduled route using the Polar shortcut, with service between Copenhagen and Los Angeles. Acquisition of the longer range DC-7C in 1956 allowed SAS to offer nonstop operation over the Pole as far as Tokyo, making it the first airline to operate a round-the-world route over Polar regions. On September 8, 1956 SAS initiated its Royal Viking deluxe air service with fully reclineable seats. On February 24, 1957 the "Guttorm Viking" took off from Copenhagen to Anchorage Alaska and Tokyo. Simultaneously, the "Reidar Viking" departed from Tokyo. At 9:10 PM the two aircraft met over the North Pole. The flying time from Scandinavia to Tokyo had been reduced from 52 hours to 32 hours. By tying together the southern route and the Polar route, SAS had earned the right to put "FIRST OVER THE POLE AND AROUND THE WORLD" over the door on its DC-7C´s. But a new era was coming closer - the jet age. Unquote BR, Eskimo

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02/07/2006 7:37 AM

Another consideration is fuel usage. I have't got a globe handy, but the shortest path between two points on a spheroid is what is called a "Great Circle" route. The fewer milles (klicks) you fly, the less fuel you use. Basicly, stretch a string between the two points and fly along that route. I'm not sure that a New Delhi to New York Great Circle would go over the pole. Practical matters also enter into route selection, such as ability to get permission to fly in a particular airspace, navigational aids, etc.

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Re:Nowhere to ditch

02/07/2006 10:11 AM

Some quick calculations show the great circle route is the polar route (or very close to it).

Calculated distance fro JFK to New Delhi is 1960 km along the Earth's surface.

Why do they not fly this route? Well, probably not too many non-stop flights for one thing (more profitable to stop and exchange passengers at popular cities than fly non-stop). Another is risk. Not many places to land for in-flight emergencies.

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02/07/2006 10:19 AM

There is an airport built in Iqualuit(Frobisher Bay) on Baffin Island in Nunavut Canada that is capable of landing ANY size aircraft.( I've seen 3 c-130's land and take off at once there)

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02/07/2006 12:00 PM

But not necessarily on any day? I would imagine weather is a bigger factor than most other locations?

I still think it may be more economical to have multiple stops. Think of your local bus routes. Sure would be wonderfull to have non-stop busses, but it would cost a fortune to run the service that way.

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01/17/2011 1:47 PM

As noted above, SAS pioneered polar flights. Over the next 20 years, until Siberia was opened for overflights, the polar route became the normal path for flights between Europe and Japan / South Korea. 3 and 4 engined airplanes can fly this route without any restrictions. 2 engined planes needs to fly within 3 hours of an alternate (emergency) airfield. The 747s, A340s and A380 will have no problems flying the shorter polar route between the US and India. There are available airports in Northern Canada, Greenland, Iceland and Spitzbergen that can be used as alternate for Twins but a 4-engined plane would make better sense in this area. (Longyear airport in Spitzbergen, Norway is only about 700 nautical miles (1300 km) from the North Pole)

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Re: Flying over North Pole

03/10/2009 7:22 PM

Sounds incredible but the reason is because the planes can fall down.

It seems that there's no gravity because the pole holes...

Yes, the Earth is hollow but it is kept in secret. Why? That is the question

Please open your minds and investigate before ridiculize it.

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