Life on Venus?

"Venusians are a sapient, radially-symmetrical species with green colored skin, five jointed legs, five tentacles, five eyestalks and five mouths; which inhabited the planet Venus in ancient eras, when life on Earth was just beginning to develop. Around three billion years B.C. their civilization was going extinct due to the temperature increase on the planet.

They are perhaps most well known as the inventors of the martial arts known as Venusian Akido, which is practiced by the Time Lord known as the Doctor, who has visited the Venusians at least twice on his first incarnation; and of the Venusian lullaby song, also a favorite of the Doctor."

"An international team of astronomers today announced the discovery of a rare molecule -- phosphine -- in the clouds of Venus. On Earth, this gas is only made industrially or by microbes that thrive in oxygen-free environments. Astronomers have speculated for decades that high clouds on Venus could offer a home for microbes -- floating free of the scorching surface but needing to tolerate very high acidity. The detection of phosphine could point to such extra-terrestrial 'aerial' life."

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200914112219.htm

I don't find that plausible unless it is some ancient remnant of life that once existed....It seems to me life has to start from a fundamental environment that would be very hospitable to basic life forms, then evolve to saturate the planet in all areas...starting in a harsh environment would seem to me to be a non-starter...I believe extremophiles need to evolve from simpler life forms, not the other way around....but that's just my Earth based view, I could be wrong...

So how did these "simpler" life forms evolve,where did they begin?

A chance meeting of molecules that decided to join forces and "live"?

A bolt of lightning creating a "living" soup and injecting a life force into raw molecules?

There is much we do not know about the real beginning of life.

There is no rule that says it must conform to our definition.Some creatures in Antarctica have skeletons made of silicon,because calcium is rare.

Life adapts in many forms,and we are are only one manifestation.

There may be gaseous balloon-like creatures in the atmosphere of Jupiter,or frozen creatures that dine on solid methane or hydrogen on frozen worlds.

We should expand our horizons as well as our definitions.Heck,one day they may find some intelligence among (and I know this is along shot) politicians.

Who knows?

We live on a Goldilocks' planet,just the right distance from the sun,the moon is just the right distance to perfectly block the sun during an eclipse,the temperature is just right,etc.etc.

It is just right for the life forms on this planet,but the rules may be totally different in other places.

We might not even recognize other life forms if we saw them.

Bacteria and viruses can survive in space,and this has been proven.

So life on this planet could have been seeded from elsewhere.

Consider the Cambrian explosion of life on this planet...what caused it?;Most organisms on this planet were very simple before this event.Afterwards,more complex organisms developed, from which nearly all animals that are on this planet owe their beginnings.

Scientists still do not know what caused it.

We are a very young species,in geologic time,and of all the species that have ever existed on earth,the present number of known species is only about 1%. Every living thing on this now planet is very young.There has been plenty of time for other species to develop here,possibly even intelligent,sentient species.

The Earth's crust kneads and recycles everything eventually,leaving no traces of previous occupants.

Perhaps there are other Goldilocks stories written for other species on other planets.

There are Extremophiles on this planet,at the bottom of the Marianas Trench,and in boiling hot sulfur springs.

We have not even discovered all of the species on our own planet yet,so how can we claim to know so much about other planets?

Just my 2 cents worth.

Yes but we have barely explored any other planets outside of our own humble planet to jump to any conclusions. You are presenting the classic logical fallacy of the appeal to ignorance.

No my statement wasn't stated as conclusive in nature...Not impossible, just improbable...One could hardly argue that is not the case...and we are not debating, we are discussing...

Now you are presenting the straw man logical fallacy and a poor version of one. Stating that something is improbable is itself a conclusion.

Will you stop reading that stupid web page...? A conclusion is definitive in nature, improbability is a weighted, but still ambiguous position...the difference between civil and criminal law....

It looks like it might have been wishful thinking. A later study indicates that what was detected was more likely sulfur dioxide.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210127140147.htm

This is how science actually grows. An observation is misinterpreted and later the interpretation gets corrected.

The 3 Stooges already did this this back in '57 (Space Ship Sappy).

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051001/

I think we should explore the unlikely possibility that there is intelligent life in Washington,DC,(which is extremely unlikely)....wait a minute;let's make that the entire Earth.

The self proclaimed "intelligent" creatures there are constantly being outsmarted by a group of submicroscopic infectious agents,a few strands of RNA and DNA that are like the "Borg"..they develop a defense against all weapons.

"Beam me up, Scotty. No signs of intelligent life here."

A Venusian fart, then, really?

fart PH3art

If life exists on Venus I suspect it will be perpetually airborne at a temperate altitude but never on solid ground. Just as much of our sea life reside at different depths and pressure levels but never at the sea floor.

This sounds so familiar....oh yeah

Signs of Life Detected on the Moon?

Life on Mars?

Strange life signs found on meteorites: NASA scientist

We seem to find "signs of life" everywhere....but no

A continuous scientific search for life or . . . . . a search for continued scientific funding?

Two sides of the same coin?

Scientists sometimes are a lot like used car salesmen, they promise a lot, but they deliver very little, and if they do deliver something, it's usually by accident...haha

I have seen some discussion that it is possible that there could be bacterial contamination in the upper atmosphere from our space probes. The upper atmosphere is potentially life sustaining.

...then it is equally possible that <...bacterial contamination...> led to life becoming sustained on this one.

The "Are we alone?" question then changes to "Where are the rest of us?", without defining "we" and "us" too tightly.

One proposal, frequently discussed in SETI circles is that nominally only one location (planet or moons) per stellar system does life thrive. In many other locations life either barely survives or lies dormant. As the star goes through its life cycle the oasis distance for life to thrive instead of just endure changes. Earth is our oasis of life in this stellar system for now. Mars or a few moons of Jupiter (Titan?) will be the next region for life to thrive as our sun becomes first hotter and then expand into a much cooler red giant. This sequential process will take billions of years, so there is no need to panic.