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Honda Civic Vibration

12/14/2020 7:59 AM

A friend of mine has a 2014 Honda civic That has a vibration that kicks in at about 27 mph to about 30 mph. Had new tires installed but vibration continued, had tires rebalanced but vibration continues. several mechanics later and the vibration is still there. Any ideas what the problem might be?

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Re: Honda civic vibration

12/14/2020 8:06 AM

Maybe transmission fluid low, or rear end differential low oil, maybe universal joint worn, maybe wheel bearing starting to go....

..."vibration in my old car just like what you explaining: it turned out to be small stones from clay/mud that actually stuck onto the inside of the rim. just a stone; not a big deal right? well if there are multiple stones on multiple tires; as soon as you get above something like 30mph the balance is lost and your car becomes a large massage chair. as soon as I realized something was waaaaayyy wrong I went home, and used a hose (make sure brakes are cool) and sprayed the wheels down - but the clay mixture would not come off, had to 'chisel' each off. very time consuming and a pain in the a"...

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12/14/2020 8:11 AM

Thanks for the comments, all were done "except" differential check.

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12/14/2020 8:15 AM

..." for me, it WAS the wheels, that and a blown rear strut. back on steelies with potenza's loving the simple/smooth ride. I know you mentioned the balance on your wheels wasn't your prob. but check your struts, if a tire is slightly out of balance and the strut is bad then its just going to amplify the issue as you go down the road."...

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/36-mechanical-problems-vehicle-issues-fix-forum/302821-bad-vibration-between-28-40-mph.html

I used to have this problem when I installed wider tires on a Datsun I had way back when....I guess wider tires requires stiffer suspension...new bushings

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12/14/2020 8:41 AM

Check your CV joints.With car stopped,turn wheels all the way to the right.Accelerate sharply for a few seconds.Do you hearing popping or snapping?Repeat in the other direction.If you hear popping noises, there is your problem.

If you are mechanically inclined,you can do the job yourself in about an hour.

Borrow a crow's foot tool from the auto parts store to separate the ball joints.

Drive it through,do not use it to pry,you will damage the tool.

The joints are a tapered bore which requires a sharp impact to release.

Be aware of the snap ring,(circular ring) when re assembling.Double check.

There are plenty of videos on line on How To:

If this is not the problem,there could be a broken belt inside of one or more of the tires.

This would only show up under load at speed.

Swap the tires out one at a time with the spare to determine the bad one.

Let us know what you find please.

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12/14/2020 3:43 PM

Thanks for the suggestions, The car is not mine and I don't see this person to regularly but I will pass on the info That You fellows have provided and let You know what the problem was.

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12/14/2020 10:41 PM

A couple things to ask your friend:

1. Does the vibration go away if he drops the car into neutral?

2. Is the vibration the same if going up hill, on a flat road or down hill?

3. Does the steering wheel shake if he lets go of it (while he hears/feels the vibration)?

4. Does the vibration change if he's on a different road surface?

5. How many miles on the car?

6. Any accidents?

7. When did he notice the vibration and what has he done to try to fix it?

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12/14/2020 10:42 PM

..Front air dam broken? They will start flapping once the air resistance pushes it back and then it snaps back causing a vibration then as the speed increases it stays in the “back” position until you slow down again........I see these once in awhile coming towards me on the road.

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12/15/2020 3:36 AM

My first car, which I bought new, had a vibration at about 80kph. Wheel balancing made no difference. after several years I happened to destroy two rims and bought two new ones which I put on the front ...... the vibration was immediately gone! --- the original wheels had been out of round and the tyre shops did not think to mention it!!!!

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12/15/2020 8:09 AM

I have had several pickup trucks that had silmilar wheel problems. I must be sensitive to vibrations, and don't like them. Tried balance, check u-joints, new tires, etc. finally looked at wheels while on blocks and running in gear - voila! you can see the tires moving up and down as they spin. The wheels were slightly bent! New wheels from Robblees, and problem persisted; 30 to 40 mph vibration. I persisted, they said wheels were within specs, even at 1/8" out of concentric, so I returned them. Purchased Alcoa wheels (how could lathe turned wheels be out of round?). Problem solved. I've noticed this problem with other vehicles at 30 - 40 mph.

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12/15/2020 6:00 AM

Surely with new tyres and balancing then the possibility of tyre problems could be ruled out and one would think that the next likely customer would be suspension, either strut problems or a springing issue.

Is the owner aware that there was a recall notice for the 2014 Honda Civic in the USA for a software issue that could damage the CVT drive pulley shaft now maybe that is creating the vibration problem? Maybe that modification has not been done?

"WASHINGTON — American Honda Motor Co. is recalling 143,676 2014-'15 Honda Civic and 2015 Honda Fit cars in the U.S. because the software settings that control the continuously variable transmission operation may result in damage to the transmission drive pulley shaft, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety .."

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12/16/2020 11:13 AM

There’s a Lotta good thinking going on here, but I have to disagree with your statement that with all of the new balancing equipment, tires can be ruled out. The new balancing equipment does not bring your tires or wheels which are flexible, up to speed. So the centrifugal forces and resultant changes are not corrected or noted. I used to have an old-fashioned spin balancer when I was working in a garage as a kid and I never had the problems that I’ve had with our new high-tech digital and computerized equipment. These old dinosaurs worked beautifully in most instances, and manually demonstrated problems not shown by modern balancers.

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12/16/2020 5:06 PM

I was shown a trick by an old mechanic when I was a kid working at a dealership.When using the old fashioned(now considered dinosaurs) spin type wheel balancers,the most sensitive method of detecting balance was to put your forehead against the body of the car while adjusting.He was right.you could feel the tiniest vibration.It worked great and you could get it as perfect as the tire and wheel would allow.

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12/15/2020 8:02 AM

so not tires

not balance

how bout one step further, bent wheel?

i guess this would be observed in the balance but maybe not?

and lastly....

BENT HUB!! either front or back, probably back.

have someone who knows what to look for drive in another vehicle at a 120- 160 deg angle behind the vehicle. on a "not so busy" road. start slow, go up to vibration speed, go little beyond. maybe even video tape it for each wheel.

this is my bet. should be able to see this on a wheel balance if you tell the tech to look for it. so he can spin the wheel and observe. but i dont know what the balance equipment looks like anymore. i assume one could find a bent hub with it.

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12/15/2020 1:57 PM

First,check that all tires have equal pressure.

A very simple way to check for out of round tire/rims in the jack up one wheel at the time,and put a socket under the tire.Ease the jack down until it just barely touches the socket.Then jack it back up slowly until it just barely clears the socket.

Put a light behind the wheel.Rotate the wheel manually and look at the gap as the tire rotates.Repeat this on all 4 wheels.If out of round,you will see it.Mark the spot with chalk.Then pull the socket to the side,and lay a straight edge on top of it.Lower the jack until the rim barely touches the straight edge.Watch it as it rotates.If it is severely out of round,you will see it.Mark the low/high spots.Now you will have some info to work with.A slight deviation is normal,but if it is worse on only one tire or wheel,you have found the culprit.

The worst case scenario is internal problems in the tranny.

This is an old rednek,low tech way of finding problems.

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12/15/2020 3:44 PM

Thanks for the tip, but wouldn't the vibration be present at all speed if out of round?

This vibration only happens at between about 26 and 30 MPH.

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12/15/2020 4:01 PM

Not necessarily.It depends on the degree of out of round and the distance from center,radially and axially.When the frequency of the vibration reaches a certain resonance with the vehicle frame components,it would be magnified.

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12/15/2020 4:02 PM

Not necessarily because the suspension will absorb vibration but not at all frequencies, there will be resonances - mine was at 80-90Kph, above and below that it felt smooth, the vibration was still there but not being transmitted to the body or steering .....

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12/15/2020 9:48 PM

That speed could correlate to the natural frequency of the suspension

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12/24/2020 8:55 PM

Our Volvo has a bent wheel. I had just bought new tires and a few days later, I noticed a slight vibration (at 70-80 mph). I brought the car back to the tire shop and they checked the balancing on all four wheels - nothing bad. I was pretty adamant, since it didn't have a vibration with the old tires. The manager told me he thinks it's a bent rim. Sure enough, he showed me the rim bobbing up and down as it turned on the balancing machine. He re-mounted the tire and I've been looking for a replacement wheel ever since.

The reason it vibrates at a certain speed is that you're not feeling the tire vibrating - it's too subtle for most people (except maybe professional race car drivers). What happens is that the tire/wheel vibrates at a certain frequency - that frequency is the resonance frequency and when the two sound waves hit, they amplify - if it's bad enough, it shakes out of control. You'd have to see it to believe how bad it can get ... wait, here's something I remember from many years ago. This bridge resonated so badly that it came crashing down. No, I wasn't alive when it happened, but I remember this from a high school course on resonant frequency. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXTSnZgrfxM

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12/15/2020 5:43 PM

I remember reading about a case of a light truck which had balance problems with its wheel, every time they balanced it, it was ok for a while then it would start vibrating again. This was repeated a few times until they decided to rip the tyre off and check out the rim.

It turns out someone had left a spanner in the tyre space. Hmmm...

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12/22/2020 9:25 AM

The radio: it's playing an old tune.

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12/22/2020 3:26 PM

They are not good vibrations!

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12/22/2020 5:10 PM

I thought the reference was to Help Me Rhonda (as in Help my Honda, Help, help my Honda)

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12/24/2020 9:02 PM

Could also be a bent rotor.

Could be something on the surface of the rotor (where it meets the hub) - there could be a space between the hub and the rotor causing it to wobble.

Could be something between the wheel and rotor causing there to be a gap and the tire will wobble.

Could be the tread design - causes vibration between the rubber and the road. Unlikely, but possible.

Try this - have the shop take all four wheels off and cross them - rt front on lf rear, etc for the other three. See if the vibration goes away, gets worse or is the same.

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12/24/2020 9:05 PM

The shops do this if there's a radial pull in the tire. Remember that many of these tires are made in China ... errr ... Thailand or Indonesia. They're DOT approved, but are they really? If the belts aren't laid properly or the vulcanization isn't done right, you'll get odd things happening - stuff that didn't happen as often when we had US made tires.

I saw an Alibaba ad for brand new tires at $19 each. It's astonishing how cheap things are to make!

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12/26/2020 9:37 AM

This all ties in to the old fashioned spin balancer. The new balancers rotate at a "safe" speed, and sense the balance imperfections. The old balancers "let her fly" at highway speeds which demonstrate what an imperfect tire does at speed. Harmonics are at play here also when two bad opposing wheels get synced just right.

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12/26/2020 7:43 PM

Spin balancing doesn't put a load on the tires. When a belt isn't laid perfectly and a load is put on the tire, the casing can shift just a little and cause it to be off balance.

This happened to me. I bought a set of off brand tires and they balanced perfectly. When on the road, they had a strange vibration. The casing had shifted and the tread was out of line - ever so slightly. Due to a stiff suspension, the vibration transferred to thru the suspension and I felt it. When we crossed the tires, the vibration went away. I'm thinking that the motion was in the front suspension as it was felt thru the steering wheel, so when the tires were moved to the rear, the vibration went away.

My tire guy told me that he gets this randomly and he figured out that he can cross the tires to get rid of it. Sometimes there's a pull associated with the vibration or a pull and no vibration.

What we get for buying cheap stuff that's made in China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.

Just for laughs, a couple years ago I saw an off brand stamped Mucho Macho. No joke, it exists!

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12/26/2020 7:47 PM

El Jefe, Mucho Macho, Sexy Beast and Kitty Kat!

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12/27/2020 9:02 AM

The tires were rotated , still have problem. Wants to take to Honda dealer to see if they can figure it out.

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12/29/2020 4:21 AM

Do you have answers to my post with the questions?

Also, the Honda dealer will be an expensive option. If a tire shop can't figure it out, I don't think the dealer will.

Just for kicks, is there a set of wheels and tires he can "borrow"? Throw them on the car and see if there's still a vibration. If so, then you can cross out wheels or tires.

Could be rotors, drums, axle shafts (front wheel drive), transmission or transmission/engine mounts. Less chance it's in the suspension, but possible. The reason I say less chance is that it sounds like a rotational problem (vibrating at a resonant frequency).

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12/29/2020 8:47 AM

"borrow wheels" is out. And all the other options You state ,plus all the others that have been proposed, will take a good mechanic to figure out. At this point in time cost of such a job is prohibitive. When I first proposed the Question I figured on just a few responses but to My surprise the responses have been overwhelming. I and My friend do appreciate all the advice and I will let everyone know the result when We do find a solution. Thanks to everyone at CR4.

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12/29/2020 10:02 AM

It could be an engine vibration not a wheel vibration.

Engine vibrations usually come in at specific RPM.

As it comes in at a certain speed band it may be the RPM of the engine that is the determining factor, not the road speed.

It will help this quest if the car has an RPM guage as then he can check if RPM is the determining factor.

But even if it doesn't have an RPM guage it's still an easy and free test to find out if it's an engine vibration.

Ask your friend to put the car in neutral if it's a manual or in park if it's an automatic and increase the engine RPM to the point where the vibration normally comes in and if it still comes in then it's an engine vibration but if it doesn't come in then you can pretty much rule it out being an engine vibration and it's an easy test that your friend can do at home without having to pay a mechanic.

If it does turn out to be an engine vibration then it may be difficult to diagnose without a complete engine tear down.

Or he could try to live with it until it gets too bad and tear the engine down then, when it should be easier to see the problem.

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12/29/2020 11:00 AM

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

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I don't think it's an engine vibration. The reason is that he'd feel the vibration every time the engine ran at that RPM - it's not specific to a speed range, like his problem is.

The transmission allows the engine to run at certain RPM's, but allows the car to drive at multiple speeds ... that is, unless it's a Tesla or other EV that doesn't have a transmission.

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01/18/2021 9:24 AM

Thanks to everyone on the tips That might be causing vibrations. The Honda dealership

concluded that a soft ware glitch that controls the transmission is the culprit. Honda recommends changing trans fluid and differential fluid and that SOMETIMES the software will reset itself. However after changing the fluids the problem still exists but not quite as bad as it was. Honda will manually reset the software, for a fee, but will not guarantee it will solve the problem permanently. Evidently there was a recall for this software problem whereas Honda would fix at no charge within a certain time period and mileage amount which My friends car qualifies. However Honda refuses to do the work at no charge saying the vin number on this car does not qualify. The cost to repair is not huge but Honda is not holding to its guarantee.

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01/18/2021 9:50 AM

Thanks for sharing....I guess Honda sucks

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02/05/2021 2:30 AM

Honda of 2021 isn't the same Honda of the past.

If you Google 1.5L Honda oil dilution, you'll see that these motors have a huge problem. Fuel leaks past the rings and into the crankcase causing the oil to dilute. On a turbocharged motor, this is horrible. Turbos spin at some incredible speed and the already thin 0W20 will be thinned out with the extra gasoline. I've read about class action lawsuits already in place. All 2020 and newer CRVs have this motor. It's standard for Accords and some Civics too.

Also, the owner of any late model Honda will notice the cheapening of interior materials. I took a trade in on a 2000 Honda Civic and I was so impressed with the density of the plastics and the fabric used on the seats. Open the hood and everything was well made and solid.

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