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Inexpensive Battery Charges Rapidly for Electric Vehicles

01/23/2021 5:24 PM

"Range anxiety, the fear of running out of power before being able to recharge an electric vehicle, may be a thing of the past, according to a team of Penn State engineers who are looking at lithium iron phosphate batteries that have a range of 250 miles with the ability to charge in 10 minutes."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210118113126.htm

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01/23/2021 9:05 PM
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01/24/2021 9:09 AM

An electric car consumes about 30 kWH/100 mi. 250 miles would be 75 kWH.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/what-is-mpge

Charging in 10 minutes would require 450 kW continuous power per car. Hopefully, there is a way to get that much power per car off the grid at every recharging station.

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01/24/2021 12:12 PM

We don't have any 450kw fast chargers that I know of, that means we'll have to raise the price again....OK I can see where this is going....

..."Charging station fee's are usually way above the cost of electricity. As of this writing a typical fee might be $0.49 US per kiloWatt-hour, while the cost of electricity is $0.12 per kiloWatt-hour."...

How long before the cost of electricity is at parity with gasoline?

30kwh x .49 = ~ $15. per 100 miles....gasoline at $2.50 per gal and vehicle getting 20 miles per gallon = $12.50 per 100 miles....already cheaper than electric....It's the old bait and switch ...gotcha....

https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap4-charging/making-money.html

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01/24/2021 1:12 PM

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LEVEL 3 PUBLIC CHARGING

A much less common – but far quicker – alternative is to access a Level 3 public charging station. Also known as DC Fast Charging, it can bring a given electric car’s battery up to 80% of its capacity in around 30-60 minutes.

EVgo maintains the nation’s largest network of Level 3 charging stations in major metropolitan areas, and offers free charging for two years to buyers of the BMW i3 or Nissan Leaf in select markets. Meanwhile, Tesla Motors maintains its own Supercharger network of fast-charging stations across the U.S., though their use is limited to Tesla vehicles. For its part, Porsche will give buyers of its full-electric Taycan three years of unlimited 30-minute charging at Electrify America charging units when it debuts for the 2020 model year.

Unfortunately, while Level 3 is the fastest way to charge an EV it’s also the costliest. As an example, we were recently billed $0.29 a minute for DC Fast Charging in the Chicago area via an EVgo station. (It’s $0.25 a minute for EVgo subscribers.) A 25-minute session that added around 50 miles of added range to a Volkswagen eGolf cost $7.25, which comes out to $3.62 for 25 miles. By comparison, the EPA says it costs an average of $2.26 to pilot the standard gas-powered VW Golf the same distance."...

https://www.myev.com/research/ev-101/what-it-costs-to-charge-an-electric-vehicle

This per kwh is the lowest end of the scale I've seen, it varies from $.29 - .79, so median $.49 is a fair est....and don't forget idle fee's, if you don't remove your charging cable immediately after charging they charge you even more per minute...

..."Different charging networks will incentivize proper utilization by charging electric vehicle drivers for idling. These fees also vary by network and location. For example, an idle fee can range from $0.40 per-minute to $1.30 per minute."...

https://evcharging.enelx.com/resources/blog/579-the-ultimate-guide-to-electric-vehicle-public-charging-pricing

That's if you can find a public charger that is working....we saw this recently on comparison video where 3 out of 4 chargers were not working...Imagine you just manage to reach a charger in your brand new ev, only to find out it isn't working?

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01/24/2021 1:53 PM

https://portal.ct.gov/DEEP/Air/Mobile-Sources/EVConnecticut/EVConnecticut---How-to-Report-a-Broken-Charger

So no active monitoring? You want to rely on potential customers that have nothing else to do but call into your computer system and navigate through yet another annoying machine?

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01/24/2021 2:31 PM

As we can see in this real world example, even though a charger may be rated at a high rate of charge(260) what you get in reality is lower and slower...

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01/25/2021 6:22 AM

It will take a massive amount of upgrading to the electric grid to achieve even a small amount of this demand if electric vehicle are to eventually replace fossil fuels.

We use currently about 390 million gallons of gasoline every day in the USA.

Imagine the electrical energy required to replace this,even considering the higher efficiency of the electric motors.

More power plants,fission and hopefully,fusion will be required.

The general public will look at the claims and swallow them whole,not knowing the expensive cost of the technology to accomplish this on a usable scale.

The public ultimately pays all of the bills,so highway usage taxes will increase.

This tax is usually included in the price of gas,and as the gasoline demand decreases,the electric demand and prices will increase.

Demand meters will be put on all dwellings,and a premium will be charged if you have an EV charger.

The price of aluminum and copper will skyrocket due to demand.

(This may be eventually replaced with carbon nanotube conductors).

("Day aint no fwee wunch.)* There is not even a reasonable one.

All highways will be toll roads to support the infrastructure.

It will cost just as much,or more, to travel by EV as with gasoline eventually.

I realize it will take many years to achieve this,but eventually every highway will be embedded with resonant transformers to charge vehicles as they pass.

This will reduce the instantaneous demand,but not the total demand.

The rolling peak demand will shift from East to West to East again as the sun rises and sets,and the grid must be able to accomplish this seamlessly.

This will be accomplished by super conductors and HVDC transmission grids.

This will take a few generations at least,like the evolution from horse-and-buggy to cars and trucks.

"What this country needs is a good 5 Cent Transporter Beam." ..(Apologies to Thomas Riley Marshall).

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01/25/2021 11:55 AM

Nice outline for a dystopian novella.

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01/25/2021 1:49 PM

"Dystopian?" more like realistic and predictive.

They can already control the power remotely and instantly to your house with the smart meters.Some cars can be disabled remotely via satellite.

That feature will soon be on your water meters,natural gas meters,all future EV's.

Private water wells will be metered and charged.

The Western states will be supplied from the Great Lakes after the major aquifers are drained.A huge tunnel/pipe system will connect them.

The next war is liable to be a water war.

Russia has a lake that contains more water than all of the great lakes combined.

Of course,we have to get through this and future pandemics first.

Pessimist? No. a Realist.I am positive this will happen.

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01/25/2021 3:37 PM

Currently Tesla has Three different levels of DC fast charging. The original units ran at 150k. The next gen units can run up to 250k, The ones being installed now are 350k. Charger rates show up on your dash screen as well as occupancy. The 250k was faster charging than you'd expect.

If you stay in the Goldilocks Zone of the battery, charging is now faster than gassing. Oh yes it is. You notify the car you intend to stop to charge. The car then brings the battery up to optimal temp for DC fast charging. You plug in and it takes 5 to 6 minutes to pump the battery from 20% to 80%. Less time than it takes to go to the convenience store, hit the bathroom, grab a soda and a snack. PLUS, you didn't waste 10 minutes waiting for the gas to pump.

This of course doesn't even begin to cover how freaking awesome it is to never worry about having to stop to get gas in your daily planning.

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01/25/2021 4:22 PM

Really recharge every 250 miles, 400Km, in 10 minutes well when I go to visit family the fuel powered vehicles we have can travel 700Km on a tank of fuel. When you see signs that tell you there is no fuel for the next 400Km how does it feel in your electric car? If you need to go further just add a long range fuel tank to double the storage, but there is no way to double the battery pack size to get the extra distance and don't talk about fast swap stations where the pack is swapped over, doesn't exist as far as I have seen.

How can the amount of energy be drawn from the grid in remote areas ever be available when even houses can not be connected at a reasonable cost. At east in this country the infrastructure does not exist outside of major cities to even supply normal 10Kw demands of households.

I worked in the power industry for almost half of my working life and for the whole of it in the energy sector and to be able to supply one 450Kw demand requires the same energy as 90 homes. We hear the waffle about solar or wind, well whenever I pass the local wind farm very few turbines are turning and are a blot on the landscape. 3 to 5 MW per turbine, so we can fast charge 6 to 10 cars but the turbines are on hilltops not in urban areas so the grid has to support the city dwellers demands, but who pays for it? Solar is dependent on how often the sun is shining unfettered by cloud and likewise solar farms don't spring up in urban areas.

With more solar systems being installed of homes, limited to 5Kw in our state per home, the grid is already experiencing problems trying to maintain grid stability so suddenly dumping an extra 450Kw per vehicle on the grid will lead to more frequent blackouts.

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01/25/2021 5:36 PM

I'm glad I'm not your kid. Hold it for 6 hours cause we don't need gas yet? You're one cruel bastard.

So basically you are saying Southern California or Shanghai should be blacking out everytime Teslas charge? LoL, a little gloom and doom eh?

"As of January 15, 2021, Tesla operates over 20,000 Superchargers in over 2,106 stations worldwide."

"How many Tesla Superchargers are in California? To date, Tesla has 1,191."

If this is a problem, so far the power grid hasn't noticed.

Consider, how much electrical power is used to produce a gallon of gasoline? Without gas cars all of that capacity is available. Just sayin....

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