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Busbar Connection Design

03/17/2021 5:01 PM

Hello all,

I am working on an automotive High voltage junction box project. The design has the following connections.

Connection -1: The silver-plated fuse terminals are connected to Tin-plated Cu-ETP busbars using Grade 8.8 Zn-Ni alloy coated screws

Connection-2: Tin-plated Cu-ETP busbars are clamped over the stainless-steel frame using Grade 8.8 Zn-Ni alloy coated screws

My question is, will there be any issues due to dissimilar metal/coating contacts?

I appreciate any input.

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03/17/2021 5:28 PM

I don't know if it will matter when someone responds but "high voltage" is a relative term. I have had jobs where I spent years at 3.3 volts and 5V was high voltage. I have also had jobs where I spent years at 120 & 240 VAC and would sometimes work at 7 KV "high voltage". For others high voltage is much higher.

I suggest adding nominal voltages, currents and AC or DC to the posting.

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03/17/2021 5:38 PM

The busbars carry 800Vdc and a max current of 350A.

The Junction box is IP6K9K rated.

Thank you for pointing it out.

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03/17/2021 5:30 PM

"The closer the metals are together on the chart means less difference in galvanic potential. Platinum and magnesium joined together in an electrolyte would create the fastest possible galvanic corrosion. The magnesium would not last long. Zinc and aluminum are compatible as long as corrosives are not present that may accelerate the galvanic action."

..."In order for galvanic corrosion to occur, the following conditions must exist:

  • There must two dissimilar metals in contact with one another; an anode (the less noble metal that will corrode) and a cathode (the more noble metal that will be protected through the corrosion process).
  • There must be different corrosion potential between the anode and the cathode (see illustration).
  • There must be an electrolyte (electrically conductive fluid) in contact with the two metals.

When the above conditions exist, the less noble metal (anode) deteriorates at an accelerated rate and deposits portions of itself onto the cathode as the anode tries to return to its original state before it was refined (ore).

In the 2017 NEC, this code section changed to recognize the significance of the differences in electrical potential between the most commonly used materials for EMT which are galvanized coated (zinc) steel, aluminum and stainless steel.

Aluminum and galvanized steel are reasonably compatible with one another (see illustration) unless a corrosive agent is introduced which will accelerate the corrosion process. The closer the metals are together on the dissimilar metals chart, the slower the corrosion process will be when an electrolyte is introduced.

Stainless steel however, is pretty far up the chart when determining the corrosion potential of dissimilar metals. Because of the greater difference in potential between stainless steel and aluminum or stainless steel and galvanized (zinc) coated steel, stainless steel EMT shall only be used with stainless steel fittings and approved accessories, outlet boxes, and enclosures."....

https://www.electricallicenserenewal.com/Electrical-Continuing-Education-Courses/NEC-Content.php?sectionID=296.0

I always use a dielectric grease for electrical connections...but you must adhere to local codes....

https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/conductive-greases-vs-corrosion

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03/17/2021 5:55 PM

I would go with stainless steel bolts....

https://interplex.com/busbar-guide/

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03/17/2021 6:50 PM

That would be the optimum choice.

However, our benchmarking reveals that almost every OEM uses Zn-Ni alloy plated fasteners in similar applications. And it is cost-effective too.

My concern is the dissimilar plating materials, How would the surfaces that are plated with Tin/Silver/Zn-Ni react with each other?

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03/17/2021 6:16 PM

Not in the absence of a conductive liquid.

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03/17/2021 6:40 PM

Since the junction box is equipped with a pressure compensation vent, it possible to have humid air inside the box over time.

Won't humid air be enough to form a galvanic cell to initiate corrosion?

My concern is the dissimilar plating materials. The anodic potential difference between Tin and silver is significantly high, and Tin is more anodic than silver. Though Tin forms a reasonably hard oxide layer, would it be sufficient to offer corrosion protection in the long run?

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03/17/2021 7:40 PM

You can always use a spray coating to seal the connections...this will protect from moisture...

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03/18/2021 6:06 AM

All <...air...> is <...humid...> to varying degrees.

If the temperature inside the box is higher than that outside then the chances of condensation, and a conductive liquid appearing thereby, are somewhat limited.

Surely either the employing organisation or the Client organisation has standard practices for this sort of thing? Make some phone calls.

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03/19/2021 12:44 PM

Tin and silver are very common connection combinations in industrial switchgear, which in most cases is only moderately protected from humidity (silver plated copper busbars). I had no idea they were far apart on the galvanic series, as it has been SOP for decades.

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03/19/2021 6:44 AM

Petroleum jelly is an extremely good conductor of electricity. Smearing a thin layer of petroleum jelly on the joints will prevent the intrusion of moisture into the joint and inhibit corrosion. This was normal practice when I was working on high current DC busbar systems in electro-machanically switched telephone exchanges thirty years ago. It is still common practice on automotive battery terminals where it is used to prevent cathodic action between the lead battery terminals and copper clamps.

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03/19/2021 12:21 PM

Thank you for the comment, One of the requirements from OEM was not to apply any barriers such as grease. Therefore we had to exclude that option completely.

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03/19/2021 12:12 PM

These are common connection combinations found in US industrial switchgear and/or outdoor substations. As Solar Eagle points out, they are very close in the galvanic series, so have a low potential for corrosion, even in harsh environments, perhaps excluding salt spray that you may not need to design for. I personally have used these combinations in paper mill environments, and can report at least 10 years of satisfactory performance, indoor and outdoor.

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03/21/2021 4:30 PM

@rwillliams

Thank you for sharing your experience. It is indeed beneficial.

I ran an internet search to get info about the compatibility of platings such as Tin-Silver, Nickel-Silver, but I didn’t find documents/experimental findings.

Could you please share if there are any electrical codes where I can find plating compatibility relevant information?

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03/21/2021 5:13 PM

Perhaps NEMA has some standards, SG1.1 is something that I could retrieve mentally. My experience started as a young engineer, and we took what standard configurations provided by respected manufacturers as good, and never gave it a thought afterwards, and never had cause to regret it later, after 50 years in basically stationary installations in some fairly high risk (for corrosion) chemical environments.

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03/21/2021 5:40 PM

@rwilliams

Thank you for your input. I will try to get the standard to get further information.

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03/19/2021 11:41 PM

Just a side thought from my practice with bus bar at ~1000 to 1500 A /sq inch... grade 8 steel bolts were used with copper (tin plated) bars. Copper and steel had different thermal coefficients of expansion. To help mitigate the problem we used a combination of hardened washer, then a Belleville washer, then nut. The hardened washer helped stop the copper flowing under pressure, and the Belleville washer maintained more constant pressure during thermal cycles. Never had a problem with joints loosening /hot joints with that practice.

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03/21/2021 4:16 PM

@GW

Thank you for your comment.

The busbars length inside the box is 400mm, and the current density is 1500A/Sq.in.

The attention wasn’t paid to differential thermal expansion as stainless steel and copper have similar thermal expansion coefficients, and the busbar length is not very long. However, torque being a significant factor, copper softening could be an issue to be taken care of.

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