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The Future of War?

05/07/2021 3:44 AM

Check out this drone footage viewed from the pilot's perspective.

It is called FPV:First Person Viewing.

The drones are flown by a person wearing a goggle interface,and is in control of every movement.

Drone racing is becoming more and more popular,but is still in it's amateur stage.

Imagine when the $$$ become large enough attract some real pros to the business.

Imagine a kid of 5 who has been flying since he was 2 years old beating a much older opponent.

(A kid of 10 would be in a "Senior's Division")

(I imagine the military is light years ahead on this technology.)

(Imagine training future pilots in the womb!)

Is this the future of fighter pilots?; Of war?; Fought by children with a brain interface that reduces reaction time?

Countries won and lost from a sandbox or crib?

Spooky!

https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/bowling-alley-drone-pilot-returns-with-another-stunning-effort/

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05/07/2021 4:06 AM

The best place for wars is in museums.

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05/07/2021 4:32 AM

I agree!

There are no winners in a war.

Both sides lose.

But it is the young men and women on the front lines that lose,not the safe-and-sound politicians that are behind it all.

Let the politicians fight it out,one-on-one.

Don't indoctrinate and force the children into a world of hate,with promises of great rewards for their sacrifice.

"War is hell"..William Sherman

But this is a man made hell right here on Earth.

Mankind seems determined to increase the carnage with greater ease.

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05/07/2021 2:54 PM

Peace through strength.

Leave no doubt in the mind of potential adversaries that if they attack you, they will be promptly destroyed in return.

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05/08/2021 12:21 AM

People are never more ingenious than when they devise means to kill others or break things.

There are many nations developing autonomous or semi-autonomous Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicles either to augment a manned fighter aircraft or to carry out ground attack missions. China recently boasted of being near deployment of an autonomous unmanned intercontinental stealth bomber with the range to attack the United States. If true, it significantly raises the level of deterrence required to protect against Chinese aggression since it lowers China's risk in attempts to impose its will on other nations.

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05/08/2021 7:28 PM

"There are no winners in a war" is a nice-sounding cliche, but history has counterexamples. First, the classic object of war is to impose one's will on the enemy. In WWII, the object of the Allies was to destroy the threats posed by the Axis empires and remove their imperialist leadership. There is no doubt that objective was attained.

If you look at the effects on nations, the United States was far and away a winner. Before entering the war, it was mired in an economic depression prolonged by failed government and central bank policies, while much of the rest of the world had long since recovered. The war forced an end to anti-production policies. Technology developed to fight the war, especially for large-scale manufacturing, together with the factories constructed, made the U. S. the world's pre-eminent economic power, and the necessity of deterring its former Soviet Union ally afterwards made the U. S. the pre-eminent military power. U. S. investment in rebuilding both allies and defeated foes created a vastly expanded international trade market, with greater freedom and a higher standard of living for all participating nations. However, some of these nations were unable to retain all of the gains because they engaged in disastrous experiments with socialism - Italy, Greece, and for a time, the UK are examples.

By contrast, the Soviet Union's Marxist policies and practice of looting and oppressing conquered regions instead of investing in them like the United States did resulted in a completely squandered win.

Wars can be won, but it is not so easy to win the peace afterwards. Whether the victory in war is worth the blood and treasure is another question that depends very much on the valuation of intangibles such as the personal liberty of those concerned and national freedom of action, as well as economic calculations.

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05/07/2021 8:05 AM

Read the book "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card (or watch the 2013 film adaptation) - that's exactly what you're talking about.

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05/10/2021 10:12 AM

I am a big Enders Game fan.

"And in that moment, You destroy them."

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05/07/2021 10:36 AM

These RC drone flying races are such a cool event to watch through the pilot's image and from outside.

I don't see this type of RC drone weaponry being the future of successful warfare. One old school broad spectrum high power RF jammer turned on at a critical point and suddenly all of the remote weapons go silent. RF drones could also be hacked (remember the US no longer makes communication chips) by an adversary and either warn them of incoming action or possibly even being over turned. I know that spread spectrum, channel hopping and sophisticated encryption techniques are being employed to thwart these actions but isn't this just trying and hoping to be a single step ahead of the other side. They just might be one step ahead instead.

Against a technologically challenged adversary (lone criminals, the impoverished) these platforms can briefly have a useful impact. We cannot gadget our way out of conflicts, particularly when the gadgets are commercially available to all.

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05/08/2021 12:24 AM

Jamming, hacking, etc. are why there is so much interest in various military organizations in autonomous drones with artificial intelligence.

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05/07/2021 11:14 AM

They've been around for 26 years...

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US Air Force MQ-1 armed with AGM-114 Hellfire missiles

RoleRemote piloted aircraft/

unmanned combat aerial vehicle

National originUnited States
Manufacturer

General Atomics Aeronautical Systems

First flight3 July 1994; 26 years ago
Introduction1 July 1995; 25 years ago
StatusIn limited service
Primary users

United States Air Force (retired)

Produced1995–2018
Number built360 (285 RQ-1, 75 MQ-1)

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Developed from

General Atomics Gnat

Variants

General Atomics MQ-1C Gray Eagle

Developed into

General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper

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05/07/2021 9:52 PM

Yes, armed remote aerial vehicles have been used for decades and the predator has already been superseded in the USAF arsenal. I was referring to using the "hobbyist" grade drone for a combat aircraft. Still, I suspect radio jamming and/or hacking can possibly interfere with even a Reaper drone using satellite communication. The cat and mouse game of measure, countermeasure may make Skynet more likely one day.

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05/07/2021 2:31 PM

https://www.indiatoday.in/image-of-the-day/video/watch-uk-s-marine-commando-flies-over-the-sea-with-new-jet-pack-1798895-2021-05-04

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05/07/2021 5:13 PM

In the near future, all wars will be fought by robots. That way the only casualties of the war will be innocent civilians.

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05/08/2021 12:57 PM

.... and just people...without the destruction of property....

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05/08/2021 3:28 PM

The Neutron bomb does that.

It will kill people,even in armored tanks,but leave everything else intact.

They have had them for years.

They wanted a way to kill them my without the massive collateral damage of the infrastructure.

Now you know where their focus is.

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05/08/2021 6:16 PM

The neutron bomb was proposed in the U. S., but Congress and the President refused to develop it. There were a number of reasons not to do so.

1. Anyone of normal conscience and morality should be squeamish about it.

2. Having such a weapon could lead a potential adversary to overestimate our likelihood to make a first strike on the assumption that we would do so to take their property. Thus, instead of deterring a nuclear war, it could increase the probability of a preemptive strike on us.

3. Theoretical projections showed that a neutron bomb as proposed would produce much higher levels of significant long-lived radioactive fallout than standard nuclear weapons. In other words, the property wouldn't be usable for a long time without substantial cleanup.

4. There were other weapons of much greater military value for which the money could and should be used. Among such developments were precision targeting and deep penetration bomb technology, both of which make nuclear weapons less necessary.

5. The Soviet Union's built property wasn't worth much to us anyway.

The object of war is to impose your will on the enemy. So in one sense, a genocide weapon can never win a war if it is used, for if all of the enemies are dead, it is impossible to impose anyone's will on them. The threat of such a weapon might obtain a victory, but it is unlikely to obtain a stable peace.

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05/08/2021 8:56 AM

I was imagining training in the womb.Babies are exposed to esternal noise,like speeech,before they are born.Thi shelps them learn their native anguage.

They have no feedback in th ewomb,so it take them a while after birth to learn to speak.

IF they were given feed bqck,and positive re-enforcement they could learn a lot in the womb.They might even be able to speak shortly after birth.Other skills might also be developed before birth.

Impossible? I don't think so,with the brain interfaces at the current stage,how long before they will be able to connect with the third-trimester infant?

Of course,our society would place harsh restrictions on such methods,but other countries are no so restricted.They might even be able to transfer skills and memories from a trained individual into the pre-born infant.

Most animals are born with "hard wired" skills,like nest building,hunting,etc.

There are probably hidden skills withing our brain that could be attenuated.

Take for instance,the sudden genius-level skills that are acquired after an accident, or coma?

The skills were there the whole time but the trauma "changed the channel on our brain."

Combined with DNA modification, it is a pretty awesome yet potentially scary future.

Imagine a human with the muscle strength of a orangutan?,the muscle skills of an Olympic athlete,the logic skills of a world class chess master?

Well,that's my $.02 cents worth,minus fed,state, local,city,county Fica,et,etc.

Net =$.0001.Divided by 8 billion other opinions and it doesn't mean much.

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05/08/2021 2:24 PM

Linking war solely to politicians is rather simplistic.

Anger, fear, hate of one identifiable group against another appears to be fundamental to humanity. This can be based on color, religion, ethnic origin, financial status, sex, sexual orientation, or anything that makes a defining position or status.

Politicians play on this for their own ends, but individuals within the groups are the starting point.

Special interest groups trying to "right" past "wrongs" play on the same dynamics - us vs them. People identify in groups even as the "wronged" group, or even the "superior" or "righteous" group.

Children's drones are not viable as a weapon, but any technology that extends the reach while minimizing the risk to the "warrior" has always been employed. Fists, sticks, swords, slings, arrows, small arms, rifles, cannons, rockets, planes, ICBM's etc progressively extend the reach while reducing the immediate risk to the warrior.

The advantage of drones is the reduction of risk to the warrior while greatly enlarging the range and options. The drone weapon platform removes the person from the weapon, allowing far greater maneuverability, higher G forces, and a detachment of emotions from the immediate situation. It is emotionally far easier to sacrifice a vehicle when you are not sitting in it!

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05/09/2021 4:14 AM

"Anger, fear, hate of one identifiable group against another appears to be fundamental to humanity".

These traits are fundamental to animals. You could always argue that humans are basically animals (mammals), however, after millions of years of evolution we should be able to understand and control our feelings of anger, fear, hate and act reasonably rather than impulsively and overly emotionally. There is a saying - "why clever people do stupid things.... ?" Almost exclusively it is a result of emotions taking over the reason.

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05/09/2021 7:09 AM

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of position he was never reasoned into."...Jonathan Swift--"Gulliver's Travels"...1726

"I have made up my mind.Don't try to confuse me with the facts!"

"All opinions and ideas are defended like children,and if threatened, the response is visceral,not logical. It takes a superior person to abandon a position based on logic alone.You must assure them that you can see things from their point of view,then gently lead them down the path to change.You may find in the process that your opinion has been also tempered."--- HTRN

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05/10/2021 4:18 AM

Pride and greed have as much or more to do with the causes of war, and that was true from the beginning of war between people, when Cain murdered his brother Abel. Saddam Hussein is the poster child example. Greed led him to carry out the armed robbery of neighboring Kuwait. Pride led him to defy the Coalition and violate ceasefire terms after being chased out of Kuwait in the 100 Hour War, eventually igniting the war that ended in his being deposed and executed by the government that replaced him (blinded by pride, he seriously underestimated the will of the Coalition to enforce the ceasefire, particularly the United States).

According to the Genesis history, man did not learn anger, fear or hate from animals, or pride or greed for that matter. The animals picked it up from the fall of man. It's all of a piece with what theologians call "original sin," which fatally infects all of humanity. "Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?" (James 4:1)

War will be part of the human condition until the last day.

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07/29/2021 2:15 PM

What if we just had a taste of future war. The Chinese military was and is the authority of those labs.

What if this virus was engineered to evade and counter vaccines? A GAIN of survival.

I wouldn't trust anything said or written about this virus. This is a huge cover up, of which we are politically, financially and academically involved.

Millions of deaths and no one dare say what happened. Their only chance is to spin it as natural.

And with industry and media being complicate, we will never know what really happened.

The abandonment of decency and standards has already conquered and enslaved us.

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