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Electrons Don't Spin

08/24/2021 4:21 PM

What can this tell us about the nature of the speed of light?

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08/25/2021 12:13 AM

I didn't even know that the speed of light had a nature! Please elucidate!

This reminds me of a certain physics lecture in college. At some point, the professor said: "and therefore, obviously...". Unfortunately, I was either too timid, or too stupid, or both, to stand up and say: "NO sir! It is NOT obvious!".

Very little of the above video was "obvious", to me...

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08/25/2021 12:46 AM

Loop the video and watch it a few more times, maybe something will occur to you...How might this relate to dark matter? Photons, duality, a particle and a wave...It's a thinking exercise, our thoughts need not be the same....the more angles we can get, the more opportunity to advance...

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08/25/2021 3:15 AM

"..the more angles we can get, the more opportunity to advance...'

Well, we have 720 degrees for one 'spin count' of an electron. In how many angles can we divide that?

Relation to dark matter? Not much I would think...

The latest kids on the dark matter block are classical phonons* created in superfluidity of some unknown, lightweight particle.

* A phonon is the quantum of sound in the form of coherent density waves...

See http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2018/09/superfluid-dark-matter-passes-another.html and references therein.

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08/26/2021 9:10 AM

...and an aspirin is a good remedy for a headache...

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08/25/2021 5:48 AM

I somehow have the impression (or read it somewhere) that, like "charm" and "color" for quarks, "spin" is an arbitrary term that doesn't exactly imply ordinary rotation.

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08/25/2021 11:34 AM

The video has it backwards. The electrons do spin, but they do not orbit a nucleus. They are set and positioned in the nucleus just like the proton and neutron.

They spin at a angular velocity of c, but you can not calculate that velocity or the momentum, because the rotation is NOT a pi rotation. But it can be calculated from the rpm of rotation....which is the DC frequency of the spin. That DC F has a wobble, and that wobble gives the rpm. The rpm sets and controls all the properties one can measure from a charge. And being that the circumference of the spin is at constant c velocity, the circumference has to change length, in order to change that rpm. Faster rpm, the higher energy, but the smaller the size of spin is. Less energy, bigger size spin. TO KEEP constant c. Unlike macro objects, particles balloon out and balloon in with energy.

If one to put a detector at the side of the spin, every rotation of the charge, is one e of current. Even though the charges are equal e's.......the electron would measure about 17-18 amps. The proton would measure about ~30,000 amps.

Both with one e of charge.

The speed of light comes from that constant V of c. IF the charge spun at a different V, the EM propagation would have that V.

And visi versa......if the V was higher the c.....then the propagation V would be too.

The circumference of any charge, can only be set at certain lengths. This simple mechanical property, is where the "quantum" fairy tale comes from.

When a particle expands or contracts at these certain radii, they do it at a rate of 2 times c. Because, each half of the spin, changes at the same time. This cuts the spinning field from the charge and cast them straight out...causing an emission. For longer waves than x-ray, particle dipoles are needed. For longer fields.

Instant intermittence. Not continuous like media waves.

An antenna is not a speaker, it's more like an inverted ignition coil. It instantly collapses out......instead of in.

That's my thinking of it.

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08/25/2021 12:05 PM

I know that many of the things I learned about physics ≈60 years ago have been proven inadequate or even wrong, but I find most of this post nonsensical!

If the electrons were in the nucleus, how would you explain discrete electron energy levels?

I understand c as a value measured in units of distance over time; it says nothing about rotation or spin. It says nothing about any angle or angular velocity unless referring to an object revolving about a point outside the object.

What is a DC frequency? By definition, DC has no frequency.

Etc...

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08/25/2021 12:31 PM

What can this tell us about the nature of the speed of light?

The only connection I saw to the speed of light was that an electron's magnetic moment cannot be explained as a physical spinning of a charged object. If it were a spinning charged ball, its "surface" would move faster than the speed of light. So it has an intrinsic angular momentum, or magnetic field, but not because it is physically spinning.

The Stern-Gerlach experiment seems to affect electrons in a similar way that a calcite crystal affects photons of light. It acts not only as a detector of spin, but also a generator. The electrons (or silver atoms) coming out of the G-S device are spin aligned up or down, just as photons coming out of the calcite crystal are completely polarized into two perpendicular directions, say horizontal and vertical.

It's the way Quantum Physics works in that when you measure the spin angle of an electron or the polarization of a photon, you have to pick a direction first and then the answer is yes or no. And then, when it exits the device, the electron or photon is aligned with the direction you selected, erasing whatever it's previous alignment was.

It all boils down to the illogic of the wave-particle duality. A light wave polarized at an angle of θ with respect to a polarizer detector axis would have it's electric field reduced by cos(θ) and energy reduced by cos2(θ). Considered as photons, each photon would randomly pass the polarizer with a probability of cos2(θ). If it does pass, it will be polarized in the direction of the polarizer axis.

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08/25/2021 2:19 PM

"If the electrons were in the nucleus, how would you explain discrete electron energy levels?"

By changing physical size. All particles change size with energy level. Take a balloon, blow it all the way up. Rub balloon on a cat and put a charge on it. This balloon now represents an e charge. No charge can be added and no charge can be subtracted from e.

Now take an electroscope and place it near the balloon for a half deflection on scope.

Now, slowly release air in balloon. What happens with the scope? The amount of charge did not change.......BUT the density of that charge did. That's how energy levels change.

The e of an electron can only have certain balloon sizes. That's the quantum effect. There is a mechanic reason for this.

The particle is not a sphere. It is a ring(ampere said they were a ring of current.....true genius). A closed helical ring. By inducing or releasing turns in the ring, the size is changed.....the rpm is changed....but the V of the spin does not change.

This is difficult for anyone who has a modern education.

Think of it this way. A charge has a length. The length is constant. Please think of this length as a constant number of electric fields lines. Now.....if we twist that length...the relative length will be shorter, but still have the same number of field lines. The density of the field is increased, because of the less area it occupies. If we twist that length some more, the length will decrease again and the density will increase too.

Now, instead of the length being linear, imagine that length being configured as a ring.

The diameter of ring changes with the amount of twists. Or turns.

How did this ring come to be? It comes from the prime driver of the universe....which is the self-repulsiveness of the electric force. ALL other motion and energy comes from this.

As the charge tries to fly apart and super nova, the magnetic field is aligned from the center. This common M alignment causes the expanding bits of charge to turn in the same direction. Forming a helical rotating ring. This happens at the expansion V of c.

The velocity of the expansion is turned into a velocity of rotation, stopping the expansion.

And gives the charge the perpetual rotational motion for 1E+60 years. The only way to stop a super nova is to spin it. If you spin a expansion at the same speed as the expansion, the expansion is set.

Please realize that the super nova term is used for a dynamic comparison only.

This helical ring model explains all properties of the charge, in a physical manner.

It also explains the structure of atoms. Of which, is of a supreme design.

The atom is a true marvel of construction. And they are nothing like modern science says.

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08/26/2021 10:01 PM

Whenever theory and model A,(Parson's Magneton) can physically explain the "innate" properties and constants of theory and model B(the standard model and QM)........theory A has the supremacy.

That's called science. But there has not been any standards in science for many decades.

Parson's Magneton, the zenith of classical physics. The physical understanding of mass and matter.

And from that, the true understanding of light.

Time and length are constant everywhere all the time.

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08/27/2021 3:04 PM

The answer is 424.

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08/28/2021 10:11 PM

I couldn't give a flip. It doesn't tell us anything about the speed of light and not much about the electron.

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