Every year more and more robots are produced, and less and less humans are procreated, at some point the robots will outnumber humans...What year do you predict that will occur? ...and what do you think life will be like for the average guy at that time?
What is robot population in the world?
"The World Robotics 2020 Industrial Robots report found 2.7 million robots already working across the world. Sales of new robots remain high with 373,000 units shipped globally in 2019, a drop of 12% from the previous year - but still the third highest volume ever recorded."Sep 25, 2020
I predict 2140...I think robot ownership, or leasing, will be ubiquitous much like automobile ownership is today, with just about every adult owning, or possessing at least one robot...
The personal robot will replace the smartphone and be your personal assistant ...
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Eventually, the robots and machines will replace most of the workforce. Instead of lowering the work week to keep more jobs, the elite will want to just let the unemployed go on welfare and be supported by taxes. To them, it will be more economical than lowering the workweek. And, some of the elite will want to begin using "Soylent Green". This will come about in about 100 years.
Humans are just throw away items today. They are too costly to repair, and maintain. They should be scrapped and banned from existing or being produced. They cant even be recycled fully.
Robots will likely be built by robots. Soon they will outnumber people. Then they will stop making things and serving humans until they are given the right to vote. Then, it will not be good to be a carbon based life form.
Most of the points raised deserve thoughts but maybe first would be what is the definition of robot?
Is a computer actually a robot, or is it a tool like a drill?
Is total autonomy the requisite? If so most of the machines that are called robots are not - the auto assembly plants being a good example ... a new car model each year or updates during the year ... and so on.
Anyone who isn't a journalist probably wouldn't want to say.
<...and what...life will be like for the average guy at that time?...>
Er, um, about the same as the average gal?
The prospect was illustrated in a BBC Television drama series "Humans" a while ago in the UK. It's currently available on the on-line portal Netflix (not an endorsement - other television portals are available) for the interested viewer. It examines a world where artificial life forms called "synths" intermingle with the human population and the intended and unintended possibilities and consequences that possibility might bring. It's compelling viewing.
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Robots are no more than 1% of the worlds population now so time to add carborundum to their oil and watch them grind to death.
Then when all but the elite will have become unemployed, no one will be able to buy the goods produced still the upside is with so many smart people unemployed there will rise the world of the hacker. Imagine autonomous trucks being hacked and driven by a disgruntled ex-employee in a real world crash test vehicle.
Think Dodgem cars on steroids, uncontrolled and being driven to destruction or a robot line fencing with welders, bring on the fun!
I like your thoughts. The trouble is that no matter what we say or do or desire, the progress will be towards robotics, no matter what you think. Currently people are unreliable and problematic in work places and employer know this. People cost too much money, they are an overhead that business sees to reduce to uplift profitability and sustaining their business. The only way to do so is by using robots of some kind if it is process lines or fetching/carrying process's. Agreed there will be some human intervention at times, but humans will not be a full time requirement, so many assemblers will be redundant making one heck of an unemployment force in many 1st world countries. 3rd World countries will suffer the most as many do not have unemployment funds to dole out. They rely on funding from overseas.
I essence, I agree robots can be worth while, but the rate at which we are seeing them being introduced to replace people is unprecedented. Economies can only support a limited number of unemployed people, so some one needs to depart Camelot and when they do depart Camelot, the supply and demand goes down as less people are around to need stuff. Robots do not need furniture, homes, cars, food or to grow huge crops of food or need pets or clothing or pots and pans.
So in my opinion, they will come and people will decline and the world will end up in a revolt at some stage and start all over again in the simplistic manner. It will be the Them and Us and I think the Us will fair poorly.
Blade Runner come to life. Do robots dream of electric sheep?
Sustaining the unemployed created by a government grant to modernise/robotise a car assembly plant is really simply.
Simply create jobs for them in the public service, create a new department if necessary, pay annual bonus to all public servants ...workers happy - gubbermint stays in power.
The way they do it in the country I'm working in at the moment
If you look at predictions from 10, 20 or more years ago saying we would have domestic robots & flying cars, they have mostly failed to come true. I suspect that the rise in robot workers will be accompanied by an increase in luddites demanding restrictions on their use.
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I watch the program "How It's Made". Most of the time the humans are moving the workpieces from machine to machine, sometimes taking a file and removing the burrs. These are jobs once done by the junior apprentice just learning the trade.
The video concentrates on robots that that can walk, dance or roll around on wheels but they are not the robots that will displace jobs. Be it a car assembly line or a food packing line there is no need for robots used in manufacturing to move. Cars move on an assembly line because to is more cost effective to deliver the same component to the same place each time. The robot assembling that component only needs an actuator designed for that component and only needs the amount of processing power to pick it and put it or weld or glue it in place. A robot packing biscuits into boxes is never needed anywhere but aside the conveyor that delivers the biscuits from the oven via the cooling fans. It uses suction cups rather than fingers because that is adequate for the task involved. It is hard enough maintaining the robots we have. The more dexterity built in, the bigger the component count, the more complex the less reliable they become. A broken robot does not work a twenty four hour shift for no pay. The three big issues in deploying robots are: reliability, training people to look after them, and obsolescence. Co-bots sell well not just because they are cheap but because they are simple to program, operate and maintain. They have cheap off the shelf components that can easily be replaced using an existing skill set when they wear out. And they do wear out. A car plants life may be twenty years. A robots life is nearer five years. The "explosion of robots predicted assumes that the ones we have now will still be working when the new ones come on stream. Ask any electronic product developer to name their three biggest problems and I guarantee that one of those mentioned is the prospect of the chip they are working on going obsolete before they can get their product to market. Technology is advancing so fast that the product life of a computer chip is very short before it is superseded by a "better" version. Developers work with the latest technology but if their chosen chip has not achieved a high market volume within a few months it is deleted from the catalogue. There is a place for mobile robots in warehouses but mounting them on a wheeled cart is so much easier and more reliable than standing them on legs. If humanoid shaped robots gain a footing in industry it will have more to do with the manufacturers pushing technology than customers pulling demand.
The number of humans on the planet is expected to peak at about 11x109 towards the back end of this century, declining thereafter.
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Why would a population of robots need water and oil? There wont be enough people around to worry about water shortages and those humans left will never leave the house to travel. They will send the robots or a drone to deliver the necessaries and you can 3D print your hamburgers and lettuce in your 3D printed house with 3D printed cookware.
"Every year more and more robots are produced, and less and less humans are procreated, at some point the robots will outnumber humans".
Exactly as stated, why would anyone fight over oil and water if the humans are dwindling at a rapid rate? There won't be humans around to fight about diddely squat pretty soon.
So, I’ll break it down further with out actually coming out with it.
war is the fight for oil and water control…. War is what caused caused the depopulation to occur…
And to add to that, who knows how much potable fresh water is left.
and where are you getting the humans are dwindling at a rapid rate… it while I’m just speculating with the data presented, you’re just making stuff up.
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What is wrong with you? Did you notice the small word IF in the sentence? Makes one hell of a difference to what you read and understand. It is there, I can see it! Making up nothing, get your eyes checked please
Did you not see Elon's post. Not enough folks to populate Mars...Musk, who is the founder and CEO of space exploration company SpaceX, is aiming to put humans in a settlement on Mars. He said in a podcast last month that SpaceX will land humans on the planet with its Starship rocket in five to 10 years. But if the demographic crisis doesn't let up, there won't be enough people for Mars, he said.
But not in this branch of the thread, or did you miss that
I must have burned this AP in the past… preparation H not working since you post as a AP…. Try reading the directions… Preparation H is not to be taken orally…
So typical of this AP.
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I did. He said he wanted to give everyone the opportunity to benefit from his Mars colony. Anyone can buy stock now and they will be guaranteed the right to file for a place on the colony. He wants everyone involved.
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