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Assembly Theory

05/07/2023 10:59 AM

Here is an interesting idea from Quanta magazine.

In searching for extraterrestrial life, would we even recognize it when we see it? Life might have a completely different chemistry on other worlds.

" In 2021, a team led by Lee Cronin of the University of Glasgow in Scotland and Sara Walker of Arizona State University proposed a very general way to identify molecules made by living systems — even those using unfamiliar chemistries. Their method, they said, simply assumes that alien life forms will produce molecules with a chemical complexity similar to that of life on Earth."

https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-theory-for-the-assembly-of-life-in-the-universe-20230504/

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05/07/2023 1:52 PM

I think there should be another force added to the force list. A life force. This mysterious force can modulate and reconfigure non living matter. And in some cases even living matter, like what we consume. Life can digest. It can also construct, we call it growing. It also replicates. It multiplies itself.

It appears to only be here and completely un-natural to the rest of the universe. It's hard to believe because the force itself can not be detected, or measured, only the products of it. We can easily recognize life, but not the cause or force of it. And it seems to be a passed, continuous force. Higher forms need other life to consume. Some life can only digest other life.

This life force forms some kind of a feedback system. It senses results. I believe the vehicle to be handedness. Gives us fit and non fit. OR correct and error. On the protein level it appears very mechanical.

Life.....a filtered loop of physics.

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05/07/2023 3:14 PM

After years of watching Star trek, Doctor Who and Red Dwarf, not to mention an endless list of sci fi movies , I think I have a thorough understanding of possible life forms....

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06/15/2023 1:24 PM

I think the aliens are already here,and have been for millions of years;The ants and termites for instance. They have a very sophisticated society that has endured for millions of years,so in those terms they are more intelligent than we are.Termites can control their habitat temperature to within 1/10th of a degree utilizing natural forces.

They farm,feed,dispose of their waste,reproduce and have virtually no adverse effect on the environment.

Why do aliens have to be a certain physical size?

There are viruses and bacteria,as well as more complex organisms,that can survive in space.

The insects will still be here after humans are relegated to a layer of strata,composed of plastic and radioactive waste to be discovered by some other "intelligent" species.

Eventually,the crust will knead the surface into another shape,and no sign will be left,all dissolved into magma and spewed in molecular form by volcanism.

Then in long-time,the sun will become a red giant and earth will become vapor in the gas cloud surrounding the sun,eventually evolving into a white dwarf as the helium core ignites the hydrogen once more and the sun becomes even larger,going through the cycle several times before becoming a stable white dwarf.

Therefor I do not take myself too seriously.

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05/08/2023 12:34 AM

I would think any alien life would be easy to recognize. Simply because we have not seen it while looking at everything else. It would be un-natural and a beacon, like us.

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05/08/2023 2:51 AM

Yeah like those deep sea creatures, anything moving around under its own power....

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05/08/2023 8:33 AM

...anything moving around under its own power....

I think the idea is not missing a life form that doesn't appear to be alive. And right now, we're pretty much limited to remote detection by chemistry.

Not all live things move around under their own power.

On the other hand, some things from NASA do.

https://www.foxweather.com/earth-space/saturn-moon-exploration-mission-space

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05/08/2023 2:40 PM

I guess we first have to define what we consider to be living things....the lines blur the deeper you go...would an advanced humanoid be considered a living thing, or just be assumed to be of human like origin? Would just any organic system be considered living? What's to be considered intelligent life? ...only if we can communicate with it? I guess it's just one of those things, we'll know it when we see it...

...or will we?

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05/08/2023 8:24 PM

I guess we first have to define what we consider to be living things...

Good point. Maybe a 3D printer that can print a 3D printer...

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05/09/2023 2:58 AM

<...recognize it...>

There is an underlying assumption therein that it is visible.

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05/09/2023 11:30 AM

I'm sure many believe the universe is packed and crowded with life. We just can't see or detect it. It's on another plane, and doesn't react with the rest of the universe. Dark energy, dark matter and dark life. It just has to be so. And all the particles of CERN have a place in the universe.

Maybe those quickly disappearing particles ARE life. How bout that. Maybe CERN is manufacturing life. Why not? We no longer have anything in science to prevent this concept. I mean what do we have now, a little over one hundred particles. With one hundred particles ALL is possible, right? It's really something, 100+ particles with consistent physics. I would expect a larger variety of atomic elements. Wonder why that is.

Two particles is enough to confuse man thru-out his generations. But we always want more. Why? Because we do not have the intellect to put it all together with two. Alfred Lauck Parson did.....with structure.

Physicality is constant.....which means it has to be simple. NO PhD required. If this is ever realized, CERN and space-time will become great folly. Physicists will never find this. They only use the energy-mass ratio for the model. They do not realize that STRUCTURE sets that ratio. It will be a study of structure at the small scales, that put this together. As usual.....it takes a mechanic.

Energy, force, mass, light, and even gravity are physical, and have structure. Yes, force has structure. Space is the lack of physicality, and does not have structure. Space is structure-less. It has to be.......for other structures to reside freely within it.

Structure IS physicality.

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05/09/2023 7:07 PM

Fire has all the characteristics of life.It eats, grows,consumes oxygen,gives off CO2 as a waste product,multiplies by sending out sparks to create more fires,and sometimes seems to be intelligent,creating it's own local weather.Ever notice how smoke seems to follow you around when burning leaves?

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05/10/2023 9:37 AM

Fire is not generational. It does not come from fire, and can not pass generations of fire. Fire is a run away and un-controlled process. When life oxidizes, it's very precise and controlled. And only oxidizes when needed. And as far as we can tell, all life processes are automatic. With thousands upon thousands of guided and controlled processes in every cell. A super natural flux. Each cell easily contains the complexity of earth itself. Perhaps a galaxy. Can a man comprehend such? And look at all the different structures in a cell. A universe of structure. Super natural structure.

It's ironic. Some say at the particle level......that there is NO conventional structure. As we think of a physical structure. And at the same time....invent structure for space......so that the space structure can be varied. This is necessary to explain space time.

So, we deny structure where it exist and is necessary, and invent structure where it isn't....in space. For a false math equation. And spend billions in money and man-hours......re-enforcing and grasping hold of this failed equation.

Modern physics. The intellect is overwhelming.

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05/10/2023 11:12 AM

"Then science came along and taught us that we are not the measure of all things, that there are wonders unimagined, that the Universe is not obliged to conform to what we consider comfortable or plausible."

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06/14/2023 11:29 PM

Thanks for sharing that!

I don't pretend to understand the math or process of calculating an AI, but I definitely like the concept. As far as I can tell, it avoids all human or other biases, and it's not easy to avoid those.

I was quite surprised to find coal listed among the non-living materials. Isn't all coal the result of modifying very old forest products under heat and pressure?

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06/14/2023 11:54 PM

I am reminded of a passage in the Mormon church's writings from nearly 200 years ago: . . . The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine. And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words. . . .

I believe there is much more that we do not know or understand than what we do know and understand.

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06/15/2023 1:05 PM

IMHO:

If we look at the Big Picture,the really Big Picture,we are so microscopic in physical size,but so large in ego and hubris.Science is supposed to be literal,no bias,no holy ground where you should not go,but our vision is clouded by prejudices and thinking inside of the constraints of acceptable boundaries.

The Sphinx erosion could not have been made by water,because there has been no water in that area for over 10000 years,and there are no historical records of civilization there before 5000 years ago.When shown a picture of the erosion,minus the total Sphinx image any geologist would determine it was water erosion,not wind erosion.But none have the courage to challenge the status quo.

It is amazing that such a tiny organism as we are can even begin to think that we know how the universe works.

We are looking at the universe through a pinhole that is covered by a frosted lens.

The JWT is revealing more and more of what we don't know,and challenging the current models of creation and physics.

Our entire galaxy could disappear without affecting the rest of the universe.

With 90 percent of the observable universe missing,we will never know the whole story.We strain on a gnat,and yet swallow a camel.

As someone once said: "If the universe was simple enough for us to understand it,we would be too simple to understand it."

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06/17/2023 5:17 PM

The only way to figure out what's happening is to go small....life begins at the microscopic level...

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