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Thunderstorm Generator

05/21/2024 10:33 AM

Has anyone heard much about the thunderstorm generator? It supposedly enables a conventional gasoline engine to output oxygen at near normal atmospheric percentage and eliminates CO2 and CO and improves efficiency of the engine by 300%.

Scientists have been scratching their heads over how it works, and still have not figured it out. Sounds too good to be true. Any feedback is appreciated.

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05/21/2024 10:50 AM

Here is one link :https://archive.org/details/youtube--ugB_nK-Mu0

I was going to edit my first post and put the link in it,but ran out of time,even though I still had plenty of time left.That happens a lot.

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05/21/2024 11:13 AM

I stopped watching immediately after he said "I don't have any instruments to measure anything, so you'll just have to trust my..." He then tapped his nose. At least they're not claiming perpetual motion.

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05/21/2024 9:38 PM

Like Elizabeth Montgomery ?

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05/22/2024 9:48 PM

Not quite, but I did think it was a commonly recognized indicator of insincerity or worse.

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05/21/2024 3:31 PM

It seems to work on the same principle as the Turbo Encabulator.

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05/21/2024 4:15 PM

This sounds like a hydrogen fuelled engine....

..."Emissions from gasoline and diesel vehicles—such as nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons, and particulate matter—are a major source of this pollution. Hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicles emit none of these harmful substances—only water (H2O) and warm air."...

..."Vehicles with hydrogen internal combustion engines can operate without any CO2 emissions coming from the hydrogen fuel, direct or indirect, depending on the source of the hydrogen used. Hydrogen produced by electrolysis using electricity coming from solar panels or wind turbines, for example, enables CO2-free driving."...

https://www.cummins.com/engines/hydrogen#:~:text=Vehicles%20with%20hydrogen%20internal%20combustion,enables%20CO2%2Dfree%20driving.

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05/21/2024 4:55 PM

The emissions from cars has decreased dramatically over the years...but then the number of cars on the road has increased rather dramatically as well....

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05/21/2024 7:19 PM

You would expect the CO2 would drop inversely to the rising gas mileage if the composition of gasoline hasn't changed. The number of carbon atoms in a gallon of gasoline is constant.

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05/21/2024 8:22 PM

Well to me the biggest problem was the lead additive TTL(Tetraethyllead) and MMT later, that existed in gasoline before the 1996 ban went into effect... (MTBE)Methyl tert-Butyl Ether, possibly just as bad...and a host of others...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gasoline_additives#:~:text=Tetraethyllead%20(TEL)%2C%20now%20banned,swallowed%2Finhaled%20and%20causes%20manganism.

CO2 is the least toxic it seems to me...

The efficiency contributing to higher mileage is mostly cleaner burning fuels delivered through computer controlled fuel injection, electronic ignition systems, catalytic converters...fuel mileage has probably doubled since I got my first car....one has only to check the gasoline consumption over the years to get the picture...

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05/22/2024 3:39 PM

"Emissions from gasoline and diesel vehicles—such as nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons, and particulate matter—are a major source of this pollution. Hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicles emit none of these harmful substances—only water (H2O) and warm air."...

Are they sure it won't produce NOX? It still has O2 and N2 together at high temperature, so I don't see why they wouldn't react same as in a a gasoline engine.

Anyway, with hydrogen, is a piston engine the best option? I believe a fuel cell is much more efficient, thoiugh might need more "exotic" materials.

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05/23/2024 1:37 AM

The hydrogen fuelled ICE will produce NOX...

But the hydrogen fuelled fuel cell produces much less...

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05/23/2024 2:20 AM

Nitrogen Oxides (NO) and Nitrogen Dioxide (NO₂) together are known as NOx. Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) also known as AdBlue®, is used in the aftertreatment system to reduce NOx. DEF is composed of 32.5% urea (CO(NH₂)₂) and demineralized water. DEF is sprayed and then spread into the exhaust gas via a mixer before entering the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) system.

As DEF enters the system, it evaporates into ammonia (NH₃) and water (H₂O), the ammonia sticks on the SCR catalyst and binds with the nitrogen oxides as they pass over the catalyst. Once bound, the nitrogen oxides will combine with the ammonia to create a chemical reaction resulting in nitrogen and water.

(NO+NO₂+2NH₃ -> 2N₂ + 3H₂O)

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05/23/2024 1:07 PM

..."NOx reduction systems based on the selective catalytic reduction (SCR) technology have been developed and commercialized for a number of mobile diesel engine applications in jurisdictions with stringent diesel emission standards, beginning with the EU (Euro IV/V, 2005/2008), Japan (JP 2005), and the United States (US EPA 2010). The use of ammonia has been practically ruled out, due to safety concerns, and urea (in water solution) has been commonly used as the preferred reductant.

SCR-only NOx Control. In applications with emission limits of moderate stringency, the most attractive SCR emission strategy involves a calibration of the engine for low PM (injection timing, high injection pressures), and using the SCR catalyst to reduce the increased NOx, Figure 1. This approach can also meet some applicable PM emission limits—as was the case with many SCR applications on Euro IV/V engines or on EU Stage IV and US Tier 4 nonroad engines. Due to the advanced injection timing a fuel economy improvement could be realized, making urea-SCR more attractive than the competing EGR technology that brings a fuel economy penalty. Urea-SCR may also have a fuel economy advantage over NOx adsorber catalysts—another competing NOx reduction technology—due to the fuel economy penalty resulting from adsorber regeneration. However, any fuel savings in SCR engines are offset to some degree by the cost of urea.

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05/23/2024 5:25 AM

Exactly. The 1st chart shows the statement in #4, that hydrogen-fuelled ICEs produce zero NOX is wrong.

Is your 2nd chart showing NOX? What units? Does it show statutory limits, or actual figures vs year (which looks unlikely) or what?

I'm not surprised fuel cell produces much less nasties.

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05/23/2024 5:54 AM

I see no such statement....click on the charts for more info

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05/23/2024 6:06 AM

OK, my mistake, I misread it as saying hydrogen-fuelled ICEs produce no NOX.

Take your point about clicking on the charts.

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05/22/2024 5:34 PM

Even hydrogen needs oxygen to combust, so how does this engine produce nearly the same oxygen level?

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05/23/2024 1:54 AM

The hydrogen incoming splits into electrons and protons, the electrons are stripped and are the electricity produced....the hydrogen then combines with oxygen present in the incoming air and produces water molecules...ie: 2H2(g) + O2(g) → 2H2O(l). This reaction is exothermic, meaning it releases energy....and I might add, reversible...

..."Hydrogen fuel cells produce electricity by combining hydrogen and oxygen atoms. The hydrogen reacts with oxygen across an electrochemical cell— similar to a battery—to produce electricity, water, and small amounts of heat.Jun 23, 2023"...

In an ICE engine the oxygen combines with carbon....while you may have the same amount of oxygen technically, it is not O2...

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05/22/2024 3:10 AM

Good grief, must you be so wretchedly gullible?

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05/22/2024 8:34 AM

Remove carbon from the exhaust of an ICE? Is this not the purpose of a scrubber? If the test instruments can be believed, the carbon is trapped somewhere in the device and must be disposed of somewhere else on the earth.

Improve efficiency by 300%? I did not see this claim, but neither did I see where the fuel type used in demonstrations was mentioned, nor any indication of unmodified efficiency of the no-load portable generator that was... uhhh... tested.

The good folks at LynDoor Industries have never offered a version of this ‘Thunderstorm Generator’: If it is too sketchy to be catalogued by LynDoor, that ought to be a red flag.

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05/24/2024 8:00 PM

There are photos of a Genset at a UK power substation which fitted a large version of the device , video below is from a subcontractor CEO who attended the site.

His video testimony is independent of the Bendall company and he states "He doesnt know why it works but It works "

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05/25/2024 3:37 AM

I'm calling scam...reminds me of the cold fusion E-cat and Rossi et al...

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05/25/2024 4:03 AM

It feels thin in places but given time it will show what it is.

There are studies attributed to Engineers from a Taiwanese University however i couldnt find any mentions of it on that University website.

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05/25/2024 12:00 PM

Hahaha infinite energy, perpetual motion....yeah yeah it's magic init

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05/25/2024 5:58 AM

You cannot argue with this guy.

He is a graduate of Whatza Madder You(WMY), located in the state of Confusion( a suburb of D.C.)He has a Phd. and a B.S. in BS.

He furthered his massive knowledge at Puck You(PU) where he mastered in hockey.

That's where he went to school,

He ain't nobody's fool,

He went to Puck You.

If you don't believe him,PuckYou

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06/01/2024 6:50 PM

He's right folks! Almost nothing is too sketchy for LynDoor to sell. So this puppy must be a real stinker.

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05/22/2024 11:20 AM

Check with Benjamin Franklin. He once put a key on a kite string. I heard it started his car every time lightning struck.

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05/22/2024 11:46 AM

That must have frightened the horses.

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05/26/2024 10:52 AM

I don't know if I ever heard about the Leyden jar in that experiment before. Ben was lucky to stay alive there, but I'm glad he did it. I think I'll skip the knucklehead joke.

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