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X-raying concrete slabs for buried services

12/20/2007 12:23 AM

I've been queried about my specification requirement to x-ray concrete structural slabs, to check for hidden services (power cables, data cables, fibre optic, water pipe etc) before cutting a hole in same.

I've never done this before but despite being reliably informed it's perfectly possible, cannot track down a knowlegeable personage.

Basically, I'm running 4000amp busduct (UK: busbar trunking, US: busway) up through an 8 storey building. It's a data centre (largely unmanned) and life critical. I've called for each floor penetration to be x-rayed, on the perhaps niave assumption some contractor somewhere knows what they are doing. But have I been too rash?

(a) is this something anyone has carried out on site?

(b) can x-rays penetrate concrete with steel reinforcement, or maybe modern digital sensors can use much less power?

(c) what precautions must be taken to stop x-rays which, by definition, have sufficient energy to pass through solid concrete?

(d) can any errant x-rays affect the data equipment?

(e) might the mains power pulse also create problems with equipment?

Having re-read the above, have just convinced myself to forget it and go for a CAT metal detector. But I typed all this now, so we'll see.

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Re: X-raying concrete slabs for buried services

12/20/2007 3:54 AM

My first thought was why you didn't do the CAT scan?

Second thought is make sure that you avoid the principal reinforcement. If your hole is anything like 400mm x 400mm (a reasonable stab at your requirements?) then it will certainly hit some reinforcement. Have you asked the advice of a structural engineer?

My experience is that the structural engineer is asked too late and that his job is to repair damage already done.

Just give it a check, particularly if you are thinking of running the cable near a column as that is where reinforcement can be quite dense and important.

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Re: X-raying concrete slabs for buried services

12/20/2007 4:25 AM

Hello Baby Guinness,

In "the good old days" we found things so much easier.

All services buried in concrete were compulsorily inside a metal pipe, so it was easy to use a metal detector.

Of course in those days, extensive "As Built" drawings were always made, along with black & white (later colour) photos before concrete pours, to ensure there were no subsequent problems.

However, those halcyon days are over, and the use of plastic conduits, and the inclusion of other services direct into concrete, (cheap but bad practice), means the tried and trusted metal detector a.k.a. mine detector type, will not work accurately.

Your floor slab is probably some 200 - 250mm thick, and thus I would be going the CAT metal detector system, which will have minimal effect on personnel working nearby, providing you follow the precautions normally taken.

Apart from "Services" ensure you do not cut into important structural steel, or there may be a damages claim coming to haunt you in later years.

If necessary, and you do have to cut rebar/structural steel extensively, best to make steel frames and weld the cut steel to those frames, inserted into the floor as a "steel bridge or rectangular ring" around the "hole" for your bus ducting.

Carefully box up the hole, and pour (tamp down) high strength concrete grout, wait 7 days or more, before removing any formwork.

You won't forget the fireproofing of the "hole" around your Busduct, of course.

It is true that a picture is worth a thousand words - I used to take plenty of photos before, during, and on completion of the works.

Those pictures, often more than a thousand or two, more on the larger Projects, were wonderful evidence later, in any conflicts regarding extra work/increased costs.

In a large Project, recovery could be worth several $million, because the evidence could be provided, of each change to the Contract, every time any alteration, deletion, addition was made.

At times you can be paid for a deduction, because you could prove by photos you had done the Works, then because of design change, or Client or Architect's whim, you could also be paid for removing that installed thing, then paid again for the replacement.

All fair of course, because "The labourer is worthy of his hire".

In these days of cheap digital cameras, there is really no excuse not to photograph almost every section of any works, complete with the digitally imprinted date of the picture.

If you do this, you may find it advantageous to offer the client a selection of your photos on a CD or DVD, to include as part of their "as built" records.

Those pictures are worth money to you or your Company.

Be careful what you share, ensure you mark each picture with the © Copyright © Information ©, and remember to charge the Client for them, along with the Condition those photos always are your Intellectual Property, and you are only selling them a Licence to use them, but they must never share or publish same (Take a leaf out of Software makers book)

Kind Regards.....

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Re: X-raying concrete slabs for buried services

12/21/2007 12:13 AM

I had a friend back in Toronto who built a business doing exactly that kind of service. He started out doing just plain ordinary pipe and cable locating in the ground. Since I was doing exactly the same kind of work for a power utility we often traded shop talk. As his business grew he ended up looking at ground penetrating radar for the very difficult jobs such as rebar filled concrete. Those rebars tended to suck up the RF signals used in more conventional RF locating designs. Rycoms, Fischer M scopes, and Radionics proved useless in rebarred concrete slabs.

The cost of such locating equipment tended to keep out a lot of new entrants to the business. He was fortunate to land a couple of big lucrative jobs for the city of Toronto when they were doing a whole sale rewire job in the old downtown areas. They were burying the new power cables in areas with zero documentation of what had been done previosuly. A not uncommon occurence back in the beginnign of the twentieth century. His job was to locate and identify every single water pipe, drain tile, telephone cable, gas line and buried power line already in the ground, whether it was under pavement or concrete sidewalks. The penalty was; paying the repair cost for each and every one he missed that subsequently got damaged by digging crews.

But the fact remains, he was buying of-the-shelf equipment so there rmus tbe other companies in the market. Keep looking. Your precaution is a good move. Too bad more companies do not specify such pre-checks before cutting and drilling.

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Re: X-raying concrete slabs for buried services

12/21/2007 12:32 AM

elnav hit the nail on the head, here.

I just took three short courses in GPR (from the 3 main manufacturers) a few weeks ago. "Brillient Stuff!" Saw pipes, conduits, and rebar in {hotel} slabs as well as a parking garage. Penetration is somewhat limited, though, due to FCC restrictions placed awhile back on the frequencies used. (A foot of concrete is no problem at all.)

This is most likely your best bet. Unless you're wanting to go through 20 inches or more, you'll be ecstatic with the results. (Thousands of miles of roadway, bridges, etc. have been done with this traveling 35MPH or more...)

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