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Technology To Battle Ice Storm Damage To Power Lines

12/21/2007 5:16 AM

With parts of America suffering from the recent Ice storms bringing down power lines due to the heavy build up of ice on power lines, you would have thought there would be an interest for technology to eliminate this problem.

I have approached several agencies for interest but as yet have received no replies.

Is their anyone in this forum that can advise as to who the button pushers are in this area or any agency receptive to innovative low cost technology that can tackle this reoccurring problem and the misery it causes to thousands of citizens?

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Re: Technology to Battle Ice Storm Damage to power lines

12/21/2007 5:31 AM

<.........or any agency receptive to innovative low cost technology that can tackle this reoccurring problem....>

Please describe this technology.

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12/21/2007 9:41 AM

Sorry, I cant go into much detail, I have limited I.P protection in place and believe the tech very valuable but safe to say that the cables would be under automatic protection throughout their length, but only when under power however. The Pylon structure isn't covered but protecting the cables goes a long way to maintaining supply during these exceptional conditions.

I can also say that ice build up would trigger the system over seperate individual lengths of about 1-5 Kilometres and that intervention is required on the line to fit the system to each and every cable.

There is no other way this function can be achieved as far as I can see save manualy with helicopters armed with lasers which is a bit far fetched.

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12/21/2007 5:52 PM

In the US, the electric company that owns the power lines is responsible for maintaining them. In Oklahoma that would be Oklamhoma Gas and Electric.

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12/21/2007 11:02 PM

Living in an area that recently suffered outages from ice, I can tell you that a good number of the outages are caused not by ice on the lines, but by ice on the trees. The branches (or whole trees) finally let go, and take out anything below them. I don't know what percentage of outages are due to either cause, but in a residential area with a lot of trees, I would be willing to bet there is more caused by trees. I'm not saying a way to de-ice the lines isn't a good idea, but it won't eliminate the problem entirely, you could cut down all the trees, but I'm not in favor of that! Good luck with your idea.

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12/22/2007 2:18 PM

Indeed, the more frequent problem is with trees, and not just in the wintertime. The major blackout that impacted the Northeastern US a few years back was traced to some issues with trees here in Ohio. In that case the overheated lines sagged and shorted against some trees. While there is undoubtedly a need to de-ice the lines in certain cases, a mre effctive method of dealing with trees and/or insulation of the high tension lines would be a large help.

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Re: Technology To Battle Ice Storm Damage To Power Lines

12/22/2007 12:02 AM

From my experience marketing to utilities and to HV Electrical OEM's, the OEM's would suggest you finish your patent protection and market to the OEM manufacturers who have lots of salesmen to explain the benefit to utilities and to get trials set up with utilities, who need proof of concept in operation in the field under all conditions to prove reliability before widespread adoption.

The problem being faced anywhere is:

1. trees taking down the lines as the trees accumulate ice and bend to the ground and then break, Utilities already have the state regulators all over them now to maintain reliability, utilities are trimming trees in there right-of-way. If a tree is outside of the right-of-way and is tall enough that it could fall into the powerlines, lots of trees would need to be topped, requiring a lot more permissions and staff.

2. the structures holding up the power lines (which a number I have seen is 500lbs of ice on the lines between structures) and the structures, Some utilities are going to steel poles, which has a drawback also because a wood pole acts as an insulator.

3. sometimes it can be heavy wet snow that drops onto the lines in clumps shorting out insulators, Utilities use a recloser or breaker trip scheme to try to burn off faults, by tripping at the fault and then closing back in, if still faulted - trip again, if not faulted - keep power on, normally the trip can happen 3 times and then locks out requiring investigation before closing in.

4. sometimes it can be droppings from big birds, shorting across insulator strings, The utilities modify the design of structures over the insulator strings to put spikes and such there to prevent birds landing,

5. sometimes the wing span of large birds on transmission lines where the birds also build nests on the poles and towers, and resist there nest being relocated, So the utilities actually put in a new taller pole and nesting box and move the nest

6. snakes climbing structures chasing birds and squirrels which can also cause outages themselves, Utilities are adding plastic fan-shaped grids to try to stop critters. I have a picture of a dried out snake hanging on a 220kV insulator,

Ice happens, so does snow, birds, squirrels, snakes, droppings, industry contamination, and ...

There may be a spray-on coating that could be applied from a helo when the weather is right for icing on transmission line insulators, but I don't think you'd find a pilot who would take a helo up expecting icing conditions and an unmanned UAV wouldn't be any safer for the power lines. Would they have to go back and wash off the coating when it is sub-freezing?

Utilities can and do apply a limited circulating current and reduce voltage to create heating in the lines, but there are snowstorms when I couldn't see thru a chainlink fence and the utility kept going off tripping our powerplant in accord with protection schemes. We kept starting up again to keep heat in the powerlines so we didn't end up off for a long time.

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12/22/2007 3:02 AM

What a wonderful reply. You got my vote. All done and over with. Ky.

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12/22/2007 9:56 AM

While not to POP ur bubble, i just do not know, why MOST do not do what was done where I grew up. This was in northern Illinois. no problem ever with ICE, wind, trees, anything. our power NEVER went down, what was this miracle answer?


it was ALL underground! DUH?

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Re: Technology To Battle Ice Storm Damage To Power Lines

12/23/2007 12:08 PM

Dear Guest,

Do you know how the utilities locate the fault in underground wires in the winter?

They look for the bare ground, where the snow was melted by the underground electrical fire.

Buried conductors from the 1960's-80's have a bad reputation for what is now understood to be quality control problems in the insulating materials where voids exist and partial discharge and treeing occur causing cable failures, these may have been helped/caused sometimes by bending the conductor too sharp, causing premature replacement. Newer underground conductors are far superior if installed properly which is also very specific, thus underground conductors are more expensive initially, many utilities perform testing on underground conductors that is done on overhead lines by tapping on the pole to see if it is solid and cutting down trees. Yes there are "maintenance costs" to both types of distribution.

Yes I have had the utility in my backyard plowing in a new conductor, so right-of-way must be kept open, no structures over or fence posts thru the conductor. My buddy did that to a phone line with a garden stake, phone lines may only be 6 inches underground, powerlines maybe 18 inches? I plowed in the powerlines for a baseball diamond lighting in rock fill soil, what a bear.

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