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Stepper or Servo?

01/24/2008 4:14 AM

We are using flywheel hole punching on thin lead sheet that works at 300 punches per minute. At present sheet forwarding (Indexing) done pneumatically: range 8 to 220 mm variable. Now I want to use stepper or servo for this. Other data: Punching die stroke length 30 mm in which 15 mm not critical; that is can be used for moving the job forward. Can any one help me which one to select? what in puts required for calculation?

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Re: Stepper or Servo?

01/24/2008 10:46 AM

steppers move a fixed fraction of a revolution with each pulse, if you gear them down enough you can get some fairly decent resolution but then you have all the slop in the gear train to deal with. not an ideal solution.

a better solution would be a servo. servos have a feedback mechanism that allows the controller to know where the shaft position is at all times and can adjust it with near infinite resolution.

There are two forms of feedback mechanisms for servos, encoders, which like steppers have discrete "steps" in their output. they also do not know their absolute position at startup, they have to turn a full revolution before they are oriented properly usually. this can be a problem if there are power outages and the machine forgets where it is in the cycle. The other feedback mechanism are resolvers which are essentially four quadrant variable transformers. They do not have the problem of losing their position when power is lost, but they don't have QUITE the angular resolution that encoders do but they are good enough for most things. You could combine the two, but most people don't. there are modified encoder systems that attempt to deal with the loss of position info in various ways with various levels of success. but there is nothing standardized about it.

I helped to design a similar punch for stainless strip using servo systems from Baldor. (The punch head itself was also servo controlled and didn't use a flywheel. It brute forced itself through the workpiece. That way we could control the punch speed throughout the cycle.) the Baldor equipment was dead simple to specify and use, but Rockwell Automation is not bad either. Most systems out there are getting pretty simple to use nowadays.

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Re: Stepper or Servo?

01/25/2008 2:22 AM

Another method generally used for strip feeding on Mech. presses (at high speeds) is to use a cam Index mechanism, which will be coupled mechanically with press shaft.

Feeding will be done when the press is returning & indexing will have dwell during forward stroke of press.

In this method there is no need to worry of synchronisation of press with feeding as it is mechanically synchronised, in the event of power loss also, the position will be maintained.

This method is useful if the lot size is big, else the changeover time is not justified as compared with Pneumatic/electrical(Servo/stepper) systems.

Speed of 300/min is not a problem for most of indexers.

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Re: Stepper or Servo?

01/28/2008 12:21 AM

Thanks for posting replys. I am at present using Pnumatic feeder for 300 Pucnhes per Min. press and Rachet system for 1200 ppm press. If I can uae stepper or Servo the change over of tooling becomes easy.

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