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Sizing of feeder and motor cable

01/29/2008 8:07 PM

We have an MCC (440V, 50 Hz) which is to feed the following:

- A packaged equipment (Water maker unit of power consumption about 55kW, 450V, 50Hz) and

- 3 motors of 12.5kW(DOL), 30kW(Star-delta), 75kW(softstarter) 440V, 50 hz

- 1 motor of 2kW (DOL) 230V, 50Hz.

So totally we have 4 feeders

Now I would like to know how do we size these feeders serving the packaged eqpt and 4 motors.. Should I take all loads as DOL and size it by checking the voltage drop or is there any difference in sizing for motor loads and packaged equipment loads?

I also understand that we need to perform a short circuit analysis or fault current analysis. Does that mean I have to get the fault current rating from the MCC supplier?

Pls let me know what I should ask the MCC supplier?

I welcome all your valuable inputs.

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Re: Sizing of feeder and motor cable

01/31/2008 1:24 AM

I count 5 circuits, not 4, but that doesn't really matter.

Take the total connected load x 1.25 for sizing the main service and bus bars, more if you want future expansion capability.

Each individual circuit needs its own "feeder" sized according to whatever your local codes require. But typically, you can just look at what the equipment manufacturers recommend for those given motor sizes. As for the packaged water equipment, if you have a nameplate FLC use that, x 1.25. If not, calculate the FLC using I = kW/1.732 x E x pf (cos. phi) x 1000. If you don't know the Power Factor (cos phi), use .8 if it has motors or large inductive power supplies, 1.0 if not. Then use the feeder breaker closest to 1.25 x that FLC value.

You need the fault current analysis in order to tell the MCC manufacturer what they need to build the bus bar system and protective devices ratings to withstand. Not the other way around. So you need to look at the available source ampacity, transformer impedance, wire length, contributing loads etc. etc. etc. It's not something to be done on a napkin, it takes a qualified electrical engineer. Hire one if you have no idea what I just said.

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Re: Sizing of feeder and motor cable

02/22/2008 2:32 AM

That's right JRaef, he needs a professional consultation. This is an elaborate study. For motor feeder we need to calculate the starting voltage drop in the circuit and the voltage available at motor terminal. So as for Feeder considering all the cable from one feeder to end motor load or to keep the bus voltage maintained at the bus where the feeder is connected.

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Re: Sizing of feeder and motor cable

01/31/2008 5:03 AM

Take the 3-phase loads and work out their FLC (or running current if known) as suggested in earlier thread, add together and apply a factor of 1.3 for spare capacity for future load growth of the busbar. The 2kw single phase load is almost negligible.

Then determine the applicable rating, type and class of the protective device rating to be used as motor feeders bearing in mind the various starting methods of the electric motors ; soft start, direct-on- line or star- delta.

For the fault current checks, its much complicated as you'll need to get details of the upstream power supply parameters and configurations, etc., so contact a consultant.

Also the 450Volt rating of the packaged water equipment should not exceed the rating of the MCC.

Good luck.

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