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Powering My AC Motor

01/29/2008 5:33 PM

Hello all I have an AC motor ripped out of an old tumuble dryer and want to wire it up. The motor is a 220/240v ~50Hz 0.65 amp, Insulation Class F. See:www.elec-motor.com.tw/pdf/fm-6509a.pdf

The motor has three wires coming out from the coil, red, blue and black.
The black wire was connected to what i believe was the live feed.
The blue wire is connected to a terminal on the attached KNM 5015 capacitor (I think its a running capacitor but don't know what that is or what's the difference between that and a starting capacitor). The same terminal has another blue wire that I believe was connected to the neutral feed.
The red wire is connected to the second terminal on the capacitor which has no other connections.

Aside from the mechanical timer switch and the splitter that ran power to the heating element, the wires appeared to be pretty much directly connected to the mains feeds. I imagine therefore that if I wire a plug and switch to the motor's live (directly) and neutral (via capacitor) feeds that it should run.

Does this sound right? There didn't appear to be any other components in the original circuit but I hesitate to connect the thing directly to the mains because I have no control, should there be some sort of regulator between the mains and motor? <P> Is there a safe way to test the motor (I am unsure at this point if the thing even works)? Do I need additional components? How can I be sure I won't overload and blow the motor? And finally, can I controll the motor's speed using a variable resistor?
Any advice/answered would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Jay

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01/30/2008 9:13 AM

Before wiring it up and trying it please wait until someone has answered you with hopefully the correct answer as I'm not sure enough to guess and let you take the risk.

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01/30/2008 10:59 PM

Call your local dryer repairman and ask them what the wires go to. Thats the safe way. USA is different i'm sure (where i live)/ OR get your voltmeter out and check the wiring on a similar motor on a working dryer.

A motor clamped tightly into a vise is not going anywhere (at least not a tumbler dryer motor).

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01/30/2008 11:17 PM

These motors are fed from a single phase. To set a turning direction, they use a phase shifting capacitor for a second coil, offset, usually 90 degrees from the first. So, you have two independent coils, and the direction of turning is dependent to which wires which end the capacitor is connected.

Most such motors do not tolerate current in the capacitor leg, so they are limited by a relay to how long that current can flow. That is standard.

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01/30/2008 11:22 PM

Either Relay, or centrifugal switch on the Armature, when it speeds up, you hear the "Click"

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01/30/2008 11:51 PM

I myself, would look at the plate on the motor and write down the Model number, Manufacturer and any other pertinent info. Then I would do a google search using the brand and model number. Most often this will turn up more information than you could possibly hope for. If that doesn't provide the required info. Search through the manufacturers website. That will often provide sufficient information. Sometimes you can get a wiring diagram of the dryer. Before you connect it to live mains make sure you have obtained sufficient data to do so safely.

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01/31/2008 5:11 AM

What do you want to do with this motor, that can have a bearing on how it gets connected, or if its the right animal for the job....

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01/31/2008 11:15 AM

hook it to a house outlet with a 15 amp or less circuit breaker. If it is wrong it will only trip the circuit breaker.change the wires , if it trips the breaker again ... throw it away

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01/31/2008 2:20 PM

That, I think, must be the most ill advised post I've ever read!

Assuming it didn't trip the breaker, or blow fuses around the house etc... Would you then tell the questioner to use it, although it may be running way out of specification and cause a fire???

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01/31/2008 2:26 PM

Hi Jay,

Did the motor name plate actually say 220 Vac or are you assuming this because the dryer was 220volt? Whirlpool and Kenmore dryers in the USA are 220 volt but the dryer motors are 110 volt. I don't know where you are located but I just wanted you to be warned.

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01/31/2008 8:11 PM

50 HZ is what he said.. so that probably means europe (not usa , as usa is 60hz).

Thus it probably is 220volts.

FYI: A motor should have some small resistance thru the coil wires @ 1 to 5 ohms typcially for usa type motors. Hope that helps.

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02/01/2008 3:13 AM

There are two major groups of single phase induction motors with capacitors: You can use starter capacitor or running capacitor. The starter capacitor type can be equipped with a starter circuit which must disconnect the starter capacitor after startup because the starter coil is not sized for continuous load.

Your motor is a running capacitor type. The possible wirings can be seen on the figure below.

The rotation speed of a squirrel-cage motor basically depends on the frequency and the type of winding. There are special two-speed motors ("Dahlander motor") but your one is not that type.

You can reduce the speed with a serial resistor but it's not an efficient way. A frequency converter would be better but it can cost more than the value of the old motor. In addition, if you slow down your motor the cooling will be insufficient.

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