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Electrical Grounding Method for CNC Machine Help Required

02/07/2008 4:24 AM

we have purchased a new cnc turning lathe. the manufacturer is not starting the machine due to faulty earthing. earthing to neutral is showing around 22 to 24 volts whereas recommended is 0.3 to 3 volts. how do we solve this problem and if the earthing needs to be redone what is the correct technique.

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Re: electrical grounding method for cnc machine help required

02/07/2008 4:51 AM

Earth-to-neutral volts is more usually an indicator of out-of-balance currents on the supply phases, though 22-24 volts is a bit high. Chances are that the red phase is carrying a lot more current that the yellow or the blue (UK terminology). Maybe a load of lighting or single phase outlets are connected mainly to the red phase and not spread across the others? If so, then some effort might be needed at local distribution boards to address the problem.

What was the result of the earth loop impedance test for this particular piece of equipment? Can this test establish that the earthing arrangements are satisfactory despite the high neutral volts?

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Re: electrical grounding method for cnc machine help required

02/07/2008 8:57 AM

Hello,

For your CNC machine you may proved separate isolating transformer for the control circuit panel.( 430/ 220 volts) instead of providing phase to neutral 230 volts/110 volts single phase supply. (If it is 3 phase 220/110 volts then 220/110 volts isolating transformer is to be used)This is to avoid the problem of floating neutral due to unbalanced 3 phase load.If separate neutral earthing is provided at the machine the problem get solved normally .But I always recommend isolating transformer. This is because isolating transformer with independent earthing for the electronic panel will give total protection and the limiting potential difference of 0.3 to 3 volts between neutral and earth point. Normally manufacturers provide isolating transformer as a part of electrical panel for control circuit,and do not depend on local neutral point. If that is the case then there then there is no need to provide neutral point at all. You can verify it from the circuit diagram of the the machine. In such situation,provide an independent earth at site and that will solve your problem.

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Re: Electrical Grounding Method for CNC Machine Help Required

02/07/2008 5:56 PM

Is the outlet a dedicated circuit? Isolated? A separate neutral with dedicated ground back to the panel? Your neutral voltages sounds like a shared neutral.

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Re: Electrical Grounding Method for CNC Machine Help Required

02/08/2008 1:33 PM

I've read the other comments so far, but don't see one I completely agree with. I'll make an assumption (please forgive me) about you setup; your measurement was taken between the neutral at the machine and the metallic structure of the machine itself or some point like it - "equipment ground". If this is the case, there can be one of several problems.

1) The equipment itself is not properly bonded to the building grounding system. A high impedance connection within this path could explain these readings, especially if the machine was energized "on" when this reading was taken.

2) Voltage drop within the electrical system feeding the machine. The neutral should be bonded to the ground where the electrical service enters your building, and this is typically where the earth grounding system is connected. Depending on the load within your electrical system in combination with imbalance in a three phase system and the distance from your service, any voltage drop on a neutral would show up as a voltage between the neutral and ground where the equipment is.

3) Bad bond between the neutral and the ground at your point of service.

Take measurements at more locations about your facility between neutrals and grounds at other pieces of equipment. Note there location with respect to their distance from their service (feed length through wire).

Does the voltage decrease as you get closer to your service? Look at #2.

Is this problem only seen in this location? Look at #1

Does the voltage remain roughly the same from location to location, or is still significant even close to or at your service? Look at #3

Hope this helps....

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