Previous in Forum: How do i design a desk lighting circuit using 8 superbright LEDs?   Next in Forum: audit conserve
Close
Close
Close
9 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4

capacitor informtion

02/12/2008 6:28 PM

How is the "Type" and "Value" determined for a capacitor in a certain applicaton?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#1

Re: capacitor informtion

02/12/2008 6:40 PM

Experience....Text books, also some of the decent catalogues give info as to typical applications, e.g Farnell, RS.

A couple of examples
Typically Electrolytics for smoothing in power supplies and decoupling audio signals say 100s to 1000s of uF. Ceramics for decoupling higher frequencies in 5v supplies typically 0.1uF 0.01uF. Polyester for other stuff timing caps...?

Often circuit values aren't too critical except for say a few components which set gains, frequencies or timings. Electrolytics are often +/-20% many other caps are =/-10%. Take care with voltage ratings on electrolytics go at least 50% over what you 'need'. Also any capacitors going on mains voltages must be specially rated (X or Y rated...the catalogues explain this).
Hope this helps...Ask something more specific if you want more help.

Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Automotive Performance - New Member Technical Fields - Education - New Member Fans of Old Computers - TRS-80 - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 1331
Good Answers: 30
#2
In reply to #1

Re: capacitor informtion

02/12/2008 7:45 PM

...one other consideration: polarized and non-polarized, ie:

polarized = DC-voltage, with specifically marked "+" and "-" terminals, as used in uni-polar applications: filtering, intergrating, etc..

non-polarized = AC-voltage, with no specific "+/-" terminals, as used in bi-polar applications: coupling, differentiation, etc..

__________________
...and the Devil said: "...yes, but it's a DRY heat..!"
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Interested in everything- see my Profile please APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - Member Hobbies - Musician - Autoharp and Harmonica Hobbies - Hunting - Member Hobbies - Fishing - Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Christchurch, (The Garden City), South Island, New Zealand
Posts: 4395
Good Answers: 230
#3

Re: capacitor informtion

02/12/2008 9:27 PM

Hello Bill 500

You ask a question which would require the equivalent of many pages of a textbook to respond properly.

If you advise the "certain situation" you intend, then it may be possible to assist you.

Because "situations" vary in their specifics, there are many variables.

Reply here, with

Kind Regards....

__________________
"The number of inventions increases faster than the need for them at the time" - SparkY
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
#4
In reply to #3

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 2:41 AM

Thank you for the reply. I rebuild old Lucas motorcycle magnetos. Because they have a rotating armature the capacitor must fit inside the armature housing. I didn't explain any details on my initial visit because I wasn't sure what expect. I have tried to gain information from the major magneto manufactures, but get very little help. And maybe I agree with them, I may be reluctant to give away information that took many years aquire too... With that said maybe I'm still out in the cold? I've been rebuilding these magnetos for approx. 7 years now. I have the armatures re-wound and I do the rest. I capacitors I use have been recommended by other rebuilders, but they are sometimes hard to get and the prices are rediculous! Even with the recommended capacitors I still experience failures, that's why I would like to have a little better knowldege of what I really need. I've been lucky they have failed on my test bench and not after I've shipped them off. I have used several types of capacitors; but I'm not familiar enough to know the exact difference. The values are 630v .22UF. I guess my question would be what "Type" of capacitor would be correct for a magneto application and how do I determine if this value is correct? Thanks for all your help! One other quick question, what is the difference in UF or a PF micro farad rating?

Bill

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Interested in everything- see my Profile please APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - Member Hobbies - Musician - Autoharp and Harmonica Hobbies - Hunting - Member Hobbies - Fishing - Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Christchurch, (The Garden City), South Island, New Zealand
Posts: 4395
Good Answers: 230
#5
In reply to #4

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 3:58 AM

Hello Bill 500

The value of 630v 0.22μF for the early Lucas magnetos is correct.

These were normally paper insulated inside a metal can type.

I had an early BSA motorcycle, which had this capacitor fitted, and repaired others which used the same capacitor (We called them "condensers" in those days).

Equivalents: 1 Farad = 1,000,000μF (microfarad) = 1000000000000pF(picofarad)

A useful weblink for equivalents is here: http://online.unitconverterpro.com/unit-conversion/convert-alpha/convert.php?cat=capacitance

Note: the above weblink places you directly on the "Capacitance" page.

Hope that assists you.

Kind Regards....

__________________
"The number of inventions increases faster than the need for them at the time" - SparkY
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
#8
In reply to #5

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 6:47 PM

Thank you, I will check the web page. Also appreciate the definition of the Farad!

Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#6
In reply to #4

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 9:12 AM

Thank you for the reply..

I'll take that as directed at my post too thanks...

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
2
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Olde Member!! Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Dunstable, England
Posts: 2821
Good Answers: 45
#7
In reply to #4

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 9:22 AM

Bill, in this application the type and value is very important.

Many people think this capacitor is there just to suppress sparking at the points which break the current in the magneto coil. Well it is but its mainly there to hold the voltage charge and resonate with the magneto coil to increase the back emf of the coil so building a better arc on the spark plug.

This is why the capacitor must be rated to a high voltage such as 630 volts... The value is determined by the best value to avoid lost power to the coil when the contact breaker opens...

It will need to be a sturdy high temperature dielectric such as paper-in-oil , polyester might do but I would look for a ignition suppresion capacitor used today on a car or motorbike with the same value and rating and in a protective metal can.

John.

__________________
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - Googling is far worse!
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
#9
In reply to #7

Re: capacitor informtion

02/13/2008 6:56 PM

Thank you for the reply! I have used polyester film type and mylar metalized film type. Both have given fair results, but both have failed. Unfortunately the only paper-in-oil can type are to big to fit the space. When the magneto starts to fail, the points will start to increase arcing and then skip fire. This is done on my test bench firing spark plugs under pressure. Thanks again for your help

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 9 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

70AARCuda (1); Bill 500 (3); Electroman (1); Sparkstation (2); user-deleted-1105 (2)

Previous in Forum: How do i design a desk lighting circuit using 8 superbright LEDs?   Next in Forum: audit conserve

Advertisement