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Dynamic Balancing

02/22/2008 11:04 PM

I wish to learn more about dynamic balancing..theory and practically how it is done. I remember learning it 26 years ago for my Mech Eng degree. Now I need it for a practical application.

Please do not tell me I have to use a dynamic balancing machine. I know that. my interest is what happens on DBM.

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Re: Dynamic Balancing

02/23/2008 2:29 PM

It is quite bit complicated and specialized field, and equipment and experience from, say major power generators to airplane propellers is not safely transferable.

First of all you need a shaft encoder of some kind to know the angle of the shaft at any moment. Then you need at least 3 accelerometer (usually more) or strain gauges. The two are not interchangeable, as there is a variable phase lag between them as the rotating shaft is driven thru resonance. Then you take into account the electronic phase shifts occurring in the electronic amplifiers, delays in the microprocessor execution loops. Some of them can be gained only with calibration setups.

As the result, a fairly simple case of the balancing measurement of the propeller of a single engine airplane will cost you up to $2000. If your certified mechanic whittles metal safe and fast, it can be done in less than a day.

But outside theory, anything else is not directly transferable. Amplitudes, phase shifts, calculations and interpretations do differ.

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02/23/2008 10:02 PM

Read these and if you have specific questions let me know. I made a good living balancing turbines for a time...

By the way you don't have to use a DBM, I field balanced equipment all the time, with the rotor in the machine.

http://faculty.uml.edu/pavitabile/22.403/web_downloads/Single_Plane_Balance_091401.PDF

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02/23/2008 11:05 PM

24.2.08

Thanx for demistyfying an enigmatic area of Engineering. Despite transparency being the call of the day, half the professional body thrives on making themselves indispensable by blocking dissemination of knowledge.

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02/25/2008 3:36 AM

Dear Steve,

I join Isloorkar in expressing same sentiments, though perhaps I may lack knowledge in finding the suitable words. YOU are a GREAT person. You have very generously shared your knowledge and I really appreciate you for that.

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Re: Dynamic Balancing

02/25/2008 4:33 AM

Hi,

we did build our own dynamic balancing measurement setup.

No encoder but a black or white marking on the shaft to measure by reflected light the phase of the rotor, arbitrarily set to zero where the marking is put.

Two accelerometers (most commercial machines use two voice-coil systems) to catch the vibration signals. These accelerometers to be mounted with some suitable axial distance on the to be measured item. If not complete with housing a suitable bearing assembly and drive has to be added. As this is introducing additional errors we measure preferably in completed spindles. Both possibilities (incomplete with auxiliary bearings and drives or complete spindles with drives) have to be suspended in a flexible support that allows operation of the to be balanced rotor well above the first resonance (this support with the rotor). Isotropic flexibility is best and sometimes mandatory but primitive supports (soft rubber foam) sometimes works well.

Bandwidth of the accelerometers has to be considerably higher (factor of 5 or to be corrected for phase and amplitude) than the maximum speed at which unbalance should be measured.

Accelerometer to be fed to a preamplifier of switchable gain to adopt the various vibrations that are often not synchronous to speed: all signals have to pass the amplifier else there are severe errors! The preamplifier and first analog filter has a subsequent (digital) filter to adopt to the rotor speed.

From the switching signal derived from the marking on the shaft - this is assumed to be derived from a shaft of non changing location and constant speed - a synthetic (in the computer or analog circuitry residing) sine and cosine is generated phase locked to the rotor and the marking on the rotor.

This synthetic sine and cosine is multiplied with the amplified signal from the accelerometers. Then integrated.

This is giving as result the zero time-lag cross-correlation of the accelerometer signal with the synthetic sine and cosine thus filtering out the (often very high) disturbing signals that are not synchronous to speed. This filtering is much better than any ordinary bandpass filter.

The magnitude is giving the amount of unbalance.The relation of sine and cosine derived measurements the phase in relation to the rotor marking.

The amount of unbalance has to be calibrated with a known unbalance as the mass and the inertias of the total system is often not known. And we are doing balancing in the assembled spindles so there is the rotor and the housing contributing to the mass and inertias.

The accelerometers have to be located at some axial distance to measure in two planes (perpendicular to the rotor-axis) as unbalance in a rigid rotor is invariably composed of a radial plus a tilting component - this can be thought as being composed of two radial components in the arbitrarily chosen planes. Calculation is by simple vectorial representation of the unbalance in the respective plane.

Adding or removing mass is used to balance according to these measurements. This can be done in the planes of measurement or in any other two planes.

Caution is recommendable if the two planes of measurement or the two planes of mass removal are on one side of the center of mass.

Sometimes pre-balancing at low speed is necessary for a safe transition through the resonances.

Complete systems available on request.

More detailed information available if questions remain.

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02/25/2008 6:04 AM

Dear RHABE,

A few questions ...

(1) Which country are you from?

(2) Will you be kind enough to list out the items which you used to build your DBM and the cost of same

(3) Are you doing DBMs for commercial purpose or was this machine built for your own use?

I would appreciate if you can reply. If you do not wish to disclose in an open forum (for any reason) my contact email is sisiraa@gmail.com

Sisira

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10/10/2008 5:39 PM

I want to build a hard bearing horizontal unit for two plane dynamic balancing of rotor impeller assemblies. The reason for building is mainly the cost of such a unit commercially and also that the impellers in question can be of large diameter, up to say 1000mm. but are comparitively thin in section and light. I sometimes deal with larger assemblies where there are upto five impellers spread along a shaft all of which are around 1000mm in diameter but the overall weight seldom exceeds 60Kg. Machines built for this diameter are usually rated for 500-1000Kg. and hence the overall size becomes a problem and the accuracy for use with smaller assemblies goes down. Any advice or assistance would be gratefully received. Thanks James

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Re: Dynamic Balancing

05/06/2008 7:44 PM

I do dynamic field balancing with vibration analysis. I will send you links. you may be able to find a used SKF microlog10 with balancing program for about $2000 Canadian dollars with transducer, photo detector. it has only 1 channel. no problem. or go to Commtest
[ I have a 2 channel VB3000 for vibration and balancing] and they also have a dedicated balancing instrument. [under 11,000 $ canadian ?] simple to use. there are PDF files available to read up on first. I missed this thread earlier. sorry for the late reply.

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Re: Dynamic Balancing

05/12/2008 5:19 AM

Hi ,

Your advice was very useful. I just searched in the net for 2 different products you mentioned and came across a wealth of information.

In fact what I intend to do is manufacture centrifugal and axial fan impellers - mostly of typical diameter range 300-600mm and width 50-300mm ( Anyway Diameter not exceeding 1 meter) and balance them in a work shop.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I think SKF microlog 10 amy not be suitable for the purpose, but Commtest VB3000 would be ideal. (though I would have preferred SKF because of the low price!). I still believe in addition I will need a mechanism to load the impeller on a shaft and rotate it at a certain speed. I looked at commercial balancing machines available and there are two types hard bearing type where an attachment is available to couple the impeller and shaft and a belt driven type.

They claim belt driven type as better in precision.

So assuming I buy a Commtest VB3000, can you please propose a suitable mechanism.

My email is sisiraa@gmail.com if you need to send any sketch.

I thank you in advance for your opinion.

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Re: Dynamic Balancing

05/10/2008 1:56 PM

here is a good textbook, with a section on dynamic balancing. "IPT's Rotating Equipment Training Manual"

Machinery reliability and Condition Monitoring.

Bruce Basaraba and James Archer. published by IPT Publishing and training Ltd.

Box 9590, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6E 5X2

www.iptbooks.com email iptpub@compusmart.ab.ca

toll free 1-888 808 6763 have fun.

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