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What German Company Cornered Solar Panel Tech?

02/27/2008 10:37 PM

My German friend in LA told me a friend of his told him that a German company had bought and got somehow control of early working Solar Panel Tech, which was artificially keeping the price high.

Is this true?

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02/27/2008 11:54 PM

Hello Transcendian

Enter into Google: solar panel technology germany

You will find some enlightening links.

Many people have also become aware of oil Companies purchasing up copper miners/refiners/distributors.

They have also purchased into the direct solar cell technology, BP for certain, plus many others have done this.

You cannot blame them, after they have had the energy users in their grip for so long, there is not going to be any easy escape for the likes of us.

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02/28/2008 6:53 PM

yeah Solarex now has BP logo on the front of their building here.

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03/02/2008 1:01 PM

I'll look up Solarex. I did end up looking at Solar Panels at the Lowest Prices in the World, and am trying to get my head to understand all the DC and AC conversions so I can determine what is actually practical to buy for the common working man.

The companies that do make things regardless of what they corner, must have some incentive to make things that are affordable, otherwise what is the point?

Chtank has strong regard for Siemens Solid Oxide Fuel Cells, but I don't find them for sale at a price I understand, as I sort of understand the offerings from Solar Panels at the Lowest Prices in the World.

My wife says that we spend 80 bucks a month on electricity from Duke energy, which translates to 960 a year. I could probably buy 2 12 volt Marine batteries for about 80 or 160 dollars one month. Without an inverter nothing much in the house will work. So the order of things is to buy an inverter, then batteries, then solar panels in recognition of non borrowed cash flow to run the home, in hopes of getting free of payments to a company that has an incentive to give less for more.

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03/02/2008 5:23 PM

Ameren in Illinois got a big rate increase to improve their service after the big Illinois ice storm a little over a year ago, they promised to give more reliable service. We were without power for six day in parts of Illinois! This year we had another ice storm further west, and they are looking for an increase in the delivery rate. Missouri and Oklahoma were hit by an ice storm this year also. I am sure they are being hit up for increased rates to. Florida just had a huge outage that affected about a million people.

What we need is distributed energy. Smaller providers, all linked to support one another when there is a problem. Ideally, many individuals would be independent of the grid, yet able to feed excess electricty to the grid. Electric cars could be made ready to reverse their electrical flow to feed the grid temporarily when they don't need a full charge. This woud be very useful during extremely hot weather, or outages.

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02/29/2008 6:27 AM

Hi Sparky.

I went to a engineering conference in Oslo in 1976, there many of the delegates were talking about this phenomonen, of the large oil companies buying up patents and putting their money into what was called future technologies etc.

The Norwegian government stopped their inovators and scientists selling on any form of technology or patents to foreign buyers. At the time the Kongsberg MF company were experimenting with a five headed milling machine, this machine was essential for the milling of the curved five bladed propellors for their silent submarines!

Three years later it was discovered that one of their workers had been an industrial spy, but it was too late because the spy had already quit his job and gone home! It was never found out who this spy had been working for, but the suspicion at the time was the old USSR.

The Norwegians who are so far ahead of anyone else within the field of hydo-power and wave energy never tell any other company or county about their experiments and research until they have mastered the technology.

They have put all their oil profits into their research, can you blame them?

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02/29/2008 5:14 PM

When I was working in the steel industry in cokemaking during the early years of the energy crisis, we sold all our captive coal mines just to meet the payroll. To the energy companies, for a song. They turned around and sold the coal back to us for a fortune.

These energy companies utilize windfall profits to purchase any competeing energy source or technology. Cant blaime them, it's good business. What bothers me is the underhanded involvement with politicians to circumvent the laws.

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02/29/2008 12:17 AM

Nope. Solar cells can be built only a few different ways. A company can buy a (or a few) patents, but when those are superceded, that is it. So, nobody can sit on it, and control it. Classical silicon is different from polysilicon, from nonsilicon, from stirling etc.Controlling it sounds like somebody controlling roadbuilding on the basis of some patent.

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02/29/2008 9:46 AM

Yep, blame the evil oil companies. They purposely buy solar panel companies, place the product on the open market, artificially raise prices to discourage potential customers from buying their product. For what, to purposely lose money on their investment? To protect what, oil? Most electricity here is generated through hydro, natural gas, or nuclear power.

Sometimes this forum cracks me up with its engineering insight.

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02/29/2008 10:47 AM

Check out The Great American Streetcar Scandal on Wikipedia. General Motors, Firestone, Phillips Petroleum, and Standard Oil bought out the streetcars and then dismantled them. They were very far sighted. Expect no less from the Big Oil, Big Coal, and all their cronies. Streetcars were very efficient ways to get around cheaply. They were similar to subways, but weren't underground.

It is pretty interesting to see the vested interest bloggers downgrade whatever threatens their status quo industry. We need to be vigilant in our quest for the best upgrades and new technologies. We are facing a lot of inertia and a lot of people trying to oppose progress. They need to be exposed in every underhanded attempt to keep distributed energy from becoming a reality.

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02/29/2008 12:04 PM

This may not be the major point of your article but electricity is mainly made (over 1/2) out of Coal - yes big dirty coal. Most of our Hydro power in the mid west comes from Canadian sources not form US sources. We in the US are tearing our dams down to save fish.

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02/29/2008 12:31 PM

I am not against coal, I live in Illinois corn ethanol and coal country. We have clean coal technology sites sprouting up now. I do believe we need to get all techs as clean as is cost efficient. The cost benefit ratio is a great debating issue. To some it is judged only by bottom line profit. To others it is based on a more universal goal. Politics forces the issue. The Sierra Club, of which I am a right wing member, recently forced Springfield's power plant to buy a portion of their power from wind turbines. Illinois now has a law on the books requiring that power companies buy surplus power from alternative energy sources. Energy independence is my greatest motivator.

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02/29/2008 5:57 PM

Fortunately out here in Arizona, we are not tearing down our dams and the fishing and water sports are great as well. But with the help of the Sierra Club, they did permenantly shut down the last coal burning electrical generating plant in the area, putting alot of Hopi/Navajo Indians mining the coal in northeastern Arizona out of work.

Now through the help of the Sierra Club, a very poor people lost their main source of revenue, while Southern California Edison gets to demolish the Laughlin, Nev plant and make a killing on selling the prime real estate located in the heart of this gambling paradise along the banks of the Colorado River.

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02/29/2008 10:23 PM

I am part Apache, and I say let them make solar farms. See solarfireproject.org . The plant could have cut its emissions, but chose not to. "Clean" coal is OK but dirty coal is not.

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02/29/2008 10:52 PM

I'll 2nd that

Black mesa will still be there, when the emissions are figured out @ a price that makes sense.

Pheonix or Tucson would not allow such a large emission in their area(s)

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03/02/2008 6:46 PM

Ronwagn,

Is there such a thing as clean coal? If there is how do they do it and how widespread is the technology? Would clean coal still produce CO2? I have always thought the statement 'clean coal' was a line that the coal industry put out there to confuse people.

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12/18/2008 8:39 AM

russ in minnesota,

"Is there such a thing as clean coal?"

the answer depends upon who you are listening to. the answers vary widely.

the energy industry hopes the government will fund it enough to make it happen.

the coal industry doesn't want to pay for it, because it is too expensive.

the consumers of energy do not want to pay the whole bill, too expensive.

the environmentalists know that it just shifts the pollution from one place to another.

the fly ash which is usable now, would not be usable from clean coal. yes most of the mercury would no longer be getting into the atmosphere, but, then the fly ash which would be polluted with the mercury would have to be disposed in land fills. at the moment fly ash is usable and its uses are growing. once it becomes a hazardous waste, it won't be usable, just a liabiliity.

the far left would rather see wind and solar.

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02/29/2008 11:50 AM

No it is not true. No one company has a large enough share of the solar market to do this.

There are quite a few methods for making solar cells. Several new ones have been invented in the last few years. It used to be that solar cells could only be made on wafers cut from silicon ingots. It also used to be true that the ingots had to be "pulled". Now ingots can be cast and sliced. There is also a new ribbon method where a ribbon is pulled from molten silicon and sliced at length. There are also quite a few methods of creating the solar cells on the silicon once you have thin pieces of silicon. There is a new method that spays material on the silicon using a process similar to an inkjet printer.

There are now solar cells on flexible backings than can be rolled up.

One of the largest solar cell manufacturing companies is Solarworld based out of Germany. They, in tests, had the most efficient longest lasting solar cells as of the time of the independent testing. They do use one of the older methods of producing solar cells.

As of two year sago one of the most innovative places designing solar cells was Adelaide university in Australia. I hope I spelled that correctly. They had as of a year ago the most efficient solar cells available.

Now that we can reliable produce nano particles expect to see new solar cells made using wideband antenna theory. These should be much more efficient than the present designs. The main reason we have not seen them yet is that the antennas need to be between 10-6 and 10-7 meters in size and of certain shapes.

Starting next fall the program I work in will be teaching solar cell manufacturing methods.

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03/01/2008 2:14 AM

Don't believe it. The tin hat brigade will take it as "Truth" though.

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03/01/2008 10:59 AM

The NIMH battery tech. of Ovonics/Cobasys Corp. was bought out by GM and sold to the oil companies. This is the technology the EV-1 GM's electric car used. Reportedly they control the large battery patents, and are severely limiting distribution. This is according to panacea-bocaf.org/ev1electriccar.html As you know GM halted distribution of the EV1 and refused to let the lessees buy them. They hid almost all of them out in the desert and destroyed them, over the valiant protest of many ecological activists. We could all be driving electric cars now, but that would have avoided the sale of millions of gas hungry SUVs now on the road.

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03/05/2008 10:12 PM

See freeenergynews.com . New story on the suppression of the EV1 by GM, and why they did it.

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12/18/2008 2:41 AM

"Coal" is a great term for all the countries,because most of the electricity is come from that Coal.It costs a lot compare to other energy sources.But,it produces the carbon gas emissions in to the air and it damages the living things.Most of the environmentalists raising the question"Is there any thing to clean the Coal" and find the solution also.But that technology meets high cost.

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