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determination of electrical wiring and cable size.

03/08/2008 12:36 PM

I don't have much knowledge on electrical wire and cable size because everything is based on electrical code which I do not have ideas. Can you please guide me how to determine the applicable size in mm squared for motor capacity in kwatt -unit? Can you refer me to any website for calculation and sizing tables. That includes circuit control and line wiring.

Thanks very much in advance.

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03/08/2008 12:52 PM

Google 'Amp Capacity of Conductors'

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03/08/2008 2:07 PM

If you are not familiar with NEC, you really need an electrician to wire your motors.

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03/09/2008 8:26 AM

There is a circumstance that calls upon the services of a layman when the specialist of that particular job is nonavailable. This situation must be prepared beforehand. Thank you anyway TVP45. Every one is entitled to learn as far as I know and also entitled to share what he has learned.

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03/09/2008 9:25 AM

edbesas,

I certainly agree with you that everyone is entitled to learn. To that end, I suggest you look on ABE for a used copy of the NEC Handbook. It should run about $30 (US) and will have about 1000 pages. By the time you finish that, you should have some idea of what you need to know.

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03/08/2008 11:20 PM

Hi,

I will start from the basic ,

To determine the voltage drop and cable sizing of the motor we need to first find the Source supplying power to the motor .

The source can be SMDB(sub main distribution board,main distribution board etc ) . As a standard rule we allow 4 % of voltage drop from Xmer side to final end of the lighting circuit . In your case since it is motor we can assume it is fed from SMDB and we can take 1.5 % voltage drop i.e 1.5 /100 *400 = 6v.

Let us assume the cable length from SMDB to motor = 28 metres ( which you have to calculate under real circumstrances )

From this data you need to calculate voltage drop per amere per meter

V = Vd * 1000 /(Id * Ld )

where V = voltage drop per ampere per meter

Vd = voltage drop

Id = running current of motor

Ld = Length of cable

From V you can refer the cable standards ( there is a seperate book for this ) and arrive at the cable size .

You can also use Hevacomp Software for doin this .

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03/09/2008 8:34 AM

Thank you sir for your generosity. I know that you will be blessed of having more knowledge because of your power of giving.

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03/10/2008 1:38 AM

Sizing of motor feeder is not same as other feeder. Not only you have to check VD of running condition but also at starting condition. when calculating VD, dont forget that PF is different for start and run condition, so use approprite formula for VD calculation.

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03/09/2008 3:16 AM

What's wrong with consulting the Code? The codes in different countries vary. There are sometimes even significant differences between different cities in the same country. This argues strongly in favor of following the locally observed code, just to keep the local inspectors and your insurance company happy.

In addition, code books contain all sorts of useful information about the ampacities of different kinds and sizes of conductors, thermal properties of wire insulation, and wiring methods and practices that you may not be aware of unless you are a professional electrician, and sometimes not even then!

If you want to do all these calculations yourself, you need to know about things like the allowable temperature rise of your conductors, and how different wiring methods will influence this favorably or adversely. Transient overloads from motor starting and power factor also need to be taken into account. After you have figured out all these things, you will be able to ask your electrician only intelligent questions, and hopefully will let him get on with his work.

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03/09/2008 11:48 AM

A public Library usually has code books or short abbridged versions of tables.

First thing as was stated in other threads, length of cable ,motor fla (current draw), applied voltage aluminum or copper or other conductor tpe ,enclosed or free air calculations. Motor capacity single phase Volts applied X FLA, 3 phase 1.732X(FLA.X VOLTS ) approxiamately

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03/09/2008 8:58 PM

Hi edbesas

See my reply here: http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/112262

The Gencalc programme referred to is free to download and use and contains a basic motor current calculator for NZ conditions. You don't state your area so I don't know the voltage you operate in.

Consult your local wiring regulations to find the specific rules in your locality. Remember that currents will vary with voltage and frequency. Currents generate heat and heat is what burns buildings down.

As you say there is no harm in learning but you must also learn when you should invest in the help of a professional.

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03/10/2008 4:54 AM

On the basis of the nature of the wording in this post:

  • For domestic installations and alterations, a consulting a qualified Electrician would be the first step.
  • For industrial installations, consider consulting a qualified Electrical Engineer.

The "Wiring Regulations", current edition, is applicable. The Institution of Electrical Engineers maintains and publishes this code. Protocols for conductor sizing may be found within its pages.

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