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03/23/2008 11:41 PM

IF we want to hardning the surface of 150 mm thickness of plate of 40 mm upper layer , Which process is better?

In grinding process which process is most suitable and effective?

Bst process in grinding operation?

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03/24/2008 12:26 AM

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03/24/2008 12:31 PM

Actually, the issue isn't the hardening process. Its WHAT MATERIAL will be capable of through hardening to a depth of 40 mm in a 150 mm section?

Usually one does not harden to 25% of section, so details about your application would help us help you avoid overspecifying the wrong material or process for your application.

As for grinding question, that is unrelated to hardening- grinding won't harden plate 40mm thick. best method- depends on your situation. as the ol' sparkstation indicated, more facts about what you are trying to accomplish will help us help you. But the economics will almosyt always have a way of trumping what us 'experts' say is best...

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03/24/2008 11:03 PM

you said it all-Milo!

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03/24/2008 11:33 PM

Thank you, mr rocket assisted tortoise

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03/25/2008 12:16 AM

girishpurohit,

Induction hardening is most preferable when a specific degree of hardness to a specific depth is required.

Grinding operation criteria, in effect the dimensional characteristic and is necessary to advise you.

What size, shape and the quantity?

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03/25/2008 1:28 PM

150mm is a SLAB-not a rolled plate

What is your Q

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40 mm out of 150 mm will be Through Qenching-not Surface Hardening!

Who will ever need a 150 mm thick slab with 40mm hard(HB/HRC) on one face?

Tell us your application -- if you really have one--

Pose serious ,meaningful technical issues only.

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03/25/2008 10:24 PM

Okay I'll bite, why quenching vs. surface hardening? Yes 40mm is about 1-1/2" and 5",

8" or even 10" plate is hot/cold rolled while slabs are cast.

Quenching brings thoughts of distortion and other untenable reactions.

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03/25/2008 10:43 PM

I believe the point is that 40mm depth requested is not "surface" hardening. it is through hardening. and that will require alloy, not plain carbon grade.

ANd regardless, an austenitization followed by a quench will be the means to achieve hardening through microstructural transformation to martensite.

If somebody has a way to coldwork 40mm deep to create a 40mm deep surface hard layer, well, I'll write up their application forthe nobel...

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03/25/2008 11:25 PM

I truly believe this thread is moot but for sake of discussion.

'ANd regardless, an austenitization followed by a quench will be the means to achieve hardening through microstructural transformation to martensite.'

Quite agree. As I originally stated induction hardening is accomplished finished via quenching.

'40mm depth requested is not "surface" hardening. it is through hardening. and that will require alloy, not plain carbon grade.'

The described is about 5" thick 40mm is less than 1/2 thickness, through hardening?? Unusual to surface harden to 40mm depth but surely medium carbon steel is up to the task. An alloy would be fructuous but may be not essential.

Why full hardening to 40mm depth would be required is a greater curiousity.

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03/26/2008 4:43 AM

Hi all,

Please, don't be so crude...

Think if all question were single problems with n variables and n-1 known → Wouldn't be rather boring? This probably convert CR4 threads in a single dialogue with few room for discussion!!!

I like the Sparkstation Windows-like alert. May I suggest a small contribution? Could begin the alert with "Fatal error"?

Jokes apart, hardening a 40 mm layer of 150mm total thickness is a very strange requirement.

But I think there are some other methods if anybody wants to have such a thick slab with 40 mm of one side with different properties (in this case hardness, but can be any other). What about cladding of 110 mm thick with 40 mm hardest material (we don't even know both hardness values)?

We don't have either length and width or quantity of pieces to manufacture, but it's seems a case for weld overlay or explosion cladding, doesn't it?

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03/26/2008 7:10 AM

Or perhaps transparent aluminum?

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03/26/2008 7:26 AM

Sorry Milo: My knowledge of English language doesn't allow me understand your joke, but due to the fact that is rather difficult to find 40 mm (or 110, or 150) slabs of transparent aluminum I would prefer to overlay the 110 mm with carbon atoms using a FEM in the allotropic form of diamond. This would rend a great "added value" to the part.

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03/26/2008 8:22 AM

A gem of an idea!

Transparent aluminum was featured in this Star trek movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/

BUt now that raises a question which I will have to post later: iMetals are defined as opaque lustrous substances. etc etc,, yet their various salts are transparent translucent etc- think sodium chloride, ruby, fluorite, and so on. what is it about the metal in the pure state thatrenders it opaque? Interatomic spacing? I'll have to post this one in the chemists forum.

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03/26/2008 10:27 AM

Thank you very much for the clarification. I was a fan of the original TV series (I watched every week when I was young and I saw all the films starred by original crew but... you know, this stupid german confused my mind.

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03/29/2008 4:28 PM

Quite so!

I've been absent and inspecting a curiousity of mine. About ten miles west of Mandan, ND on interstate 94 USA frost heaves have distorted the concrete slab (8") and actually produced a radius. a rounded protrusion upon the roadway straightway across the hi-way about 4-6" in height.

Wow! It happens every year of course but still it is concrete after all.

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03/30/2008 12:40 AM

Hello Kwetz

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03/30/2008 7:11 AM

Hi Sparkstation,

Thank you very much for the work done. Having your permission I surely will use it sometimes. Just one point: I never "ordered" I just kindly suggest. I'd never try o order anything to a forum colleague.

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03/30/2008 8:10 AM

Hello again, Kwetz

I realise you did not order the sign, it was a "figure of speech" on my part.

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