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Kinetic ballistic weapons or orbital lances.

04/12/2008 8:13 AM

Hi guys,

I just read about these orbital lances in an article about the guy that said he was targeted by aliens as his house was hit by meteorites four times in the last 6 months. As it is extremely rare to get hit by even a near miss, he argued it has to be deliberate.

Does anyone knows if these orbital lances or kinetic ballistic weapons do really exist or in active tests?

They sure sound an absolute horrific way to ensure war dominance.

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04/12/2008 8:38 AM

Found the original article again for more info. He actually got hit by five.

Here.

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04/12/2008 8:51 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_weaponry

Some more info, very interesting reading especially as it would not violate the treaty that stops them from putting weapons of mass destruction in space.

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04/13/2008 8:53 AM

When does that stop them from violating a treaty. As a mater of history they have never kept them. Any weapons treaty with the former USSR is avoidable unless specifically transfered to the new government.

The refuse to recognize the Hague, not much better with the UN.

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04/12/2008 9:15 AM

Six month seem an awful long time to keep up a practical joke on some one. It appears to have worked the guy now is seeing aliens. One must have hit him in the head.

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04/13/2008 12:12 AM

Is this guy called Little, a Mr C. Little?

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04/13/2008 2:10 AM

Hi case491

I'd love to tell you all about my work on the umm...orbiting satellites (shhh...I can't)loaded with the aforementioned kinetic weapons (shhh...not really) because then I'd have to...(you know the phrase)...have one of those things accidentally dropped on your vicinity (even though they don't really exist that you know about...)

Sorry. I just couldn't resist.

Actually, I read an article about orbital kinetic weapons a few years ago. Very nasty sounding things. I wouldn't want to P.O. anybody off enough for them to start dropping them in my vicinity. Especially the aliens because I have my beacon turned on and am expecting them to land in my back yard anytime now for a pow-wow.

As far as the house being hit by meteors 5 seperate times, I find that a little far fetched. Two or three at the outside. I don't put much faith in statistical probabilities (proven wrong too often). Case-in-point: a lady here in the US won a $million scratch-off lottery Twice with-in a few months with only 5 winning tickets in the entire state. Odds against were astronomical but it Did happen.

I believe that anything can happen to anybody at anytime regardless of the probabilities against the event. Murphy's laws apply at all times. LOL

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04/13/2008 4:12 AM

I don't believe it either but it did say that although they verified the stones were meteorites, they could not verify that they indeed had hit his house at all.

That is a nice way of saying, we don't really think they hit his house ever!

Remains the fact where did the stones come from and how did he finance the steel girder roof for future protection?

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04/13/2008 6:35 PM

I believe that anything can happen ..... at anytime regardless of the probabilities against the event.

I usde to work in a 150 person lab. Both my techncian and my manager had the same birthday as I do. Not the same day only, but the same year. In addition, 8 others in the lab had the same date as their birthday. Astronomical odds, but it does happen.


While I doubt the veracity of the story, given the name and location of the vistim, if we consider the number of people in the world (6 billion+) and can calculate the "astronomical odds", chances are it could happen without any alien intervention.

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04/14/2008 11:47 AM

You mentioned a lab; it wasn't a cloning lab by chance was it???

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04/13/2008 7:48 PM

In sci-fi it has been called "throwing rocks". Actually with some very careful calculation it would be possible to fire metallic chunks with electromagnetic rail guns from behind the moon, to remain hidden, and do a lot of damage. Small chunks of nickel-iron would be nearly impossible to detect coming. Prototypes exist and the US Navy is rumored to be developing one.

Then too the odds of probability allow for some strange things, so he could have been hit 4 times. But aliens? And why him?

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04/13/2008 10:11 PM

in vacuum they can be deadly, if stealthed, and terminal guidance is used to make them hit at a few miles/second. Kinetic kill they call it.

After WW2 they perfected one that used pigeons strapped into a harness to peck at the target on a screen and so guide to impact or close detonation.

Better guidance via radar saved all those pigeons.

A rail gun on the lunar sirface could indeed fire stuff at the earthor other space objects.

Hitting stuff on the surface would need a large enough and strong enough projectile to stay togther as it went through the air at 7 miles/second (to start) and did not melt/break/lose aim.

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04/14/2008 3:47 PM

Accuracy of kinetic orbital balistics has been calculated as being within 15 to 25 feet. In order to get more accuracy they have to have some form of guiding which would always betray the prescence and the origin of the object.

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04/15/2008 1:09 PM

Just for the record, the US Navy recently fired a 5-inch (diameter) projectile via an electro-magnetic "rail gun" at greater than 6,500 mph.

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04/15/2008 6:05 PM

Aha! Knew I'd heard they were doing that. Put it into space with some chunks of steel big enough to withstand reentry and you can pulverize the strongest bunker and reduce a mountain the gravel. Space warfare with electric shotguns.

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04/15/2008 9:32 PM

Or just a chunk of nickle iron accurately placed in the gravity well.

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04/15/2008 9:47 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

this listed the 2 I'm most familiar with.

Brilliant Pebbles and X-ray laser.

The X-ray laser used a nuclear bomb to pump graphite rods that produced coherent x-rays in the rods destruction. Positioning the rods would be very tricky with out a actual test fire of each satellite.

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07/24/2008 8:55 PM

Try reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlen. Basically a moon colony decides they want independence from Earth and to assert their claim they drop big rocks on ol' Mother Earth. This is a solid physics concept. Check out Aurthur C. Clarks stories also. He popularized the satellite idea and propounded an elevator into outer space, which is near actual realization as we share with one another now. The hang-up is finding a material strong enough to support it's own weight from geosynchronous orbit as well as the weight of the elevator. Enter nanotubes! Look up some of this stuff on the internet! Remember a science fiction author from before 1900 put together the basic ideas for getting a man to the moon with a rocket even though at the time they did not have any idea what the moon was really made of. Do the math on a large rock falling to earth in just the right tragectory and it's resultant kinetic energy. Good luck.

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