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Monkeys With Robot Arms......Bad idea or Terrible idea?

05/29/2008 9:18 PM

Have any of you seen the nature shows where they have taught monkeys to speak using a electronic word synthesizer but the monkey just presses the button for food over and over again? I've got this image in my head now thanks to this article (see below) of cyborg monkeys with robot arms with electronic voice boxes that are repeatedly demanding "banana!", "apple!", "banana!" as they smash cars with their bionic robot arms and we all run away from them terrified. And yes, I know I should probably stop watching so much T.V.

Anyway, Here is the article, it's really amazing.

Scientists have trained a group of monkeys to feed themselves marshmallows using a robot arm controlled by sensors implanted in their brains, a feat that could one day help paralyzed people operate prosthetic limbs on their own, according to a study out Thursday.

A monkey feeds itself using a robotic arm.

Lead researcher Andrew Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh said he believes it won't be long before the technology is tested in humans, although he predicts it will be longer before the devices are used in actual patients with disabilities.

"I think we'll be doing this on an experimental basis in two years," said Schwartz, professor of neurobiology at the university's School of Medicine.

The results were appeared in the journal Nature's online edition on Thursday. The arm is controlled by a network of tiny electrodes called a brain-machine interface, implanted into the motor cortex of the monkeys' brains -- the region that controls movement.

It picks up the signals of brain cells as they generate commands to move and converts those into directional signals for the robotic arm, which the monkeys eventually used as a surrogate for their own.

The researchers report that one monkey achieved a success rate of 78 percent over 13 days of trials, while a second monkey completed its tasks with the arm in 61 percent of tests conducted over two days. They said the animals also were able to direct the arm around obstacles to ensure safe delivery of the food, which included small items such as grapes and marshmallows.

Here is a link to the whole story on cnn.com

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Re: Monkeys With Robot Arms......Bad idea or Terrible idea?

05/29/2008 9:38 PM

This sounds like an engineering solution to a medical problem. I saw this on another site but they were using a human quadriplegic volunteer. Not being any kind of med tech, I have to say it would seem they might have problems with the body attacking the implant, but they are probably way past that obstacle.

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Re: Monkeys With Robot Arms......Bad idea or Terrible idea?

05/30/2008 3:48 AM

This item received a slot on UK television news on 29th May 2008. Fascinating, though worrying. Then, mankind is naturally cautious of the unknown, with good reason.

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05/30/2008 5:55 AM

Yes this was a news item on the Australian TV news tonight, which I viewed just after reading this post, I can't remember, but I think this involves a particular single part of the mind that has a reliable signal. I think this goes back a number of years, but a robotic arm probably makes it more news worthy.

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05/30/2008 7:20 AM

Like anything man does the good, bad and the ugly are always walking hand in hand.

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Re: Monkeys With Robot Arms......Bad idea or Terrible idea?

05/30/2008 12:15 PM

Testing on animals aside (that's a whole other thread) this opens up some HIGHLY disturbing questions - but perhaps not for the reasons you think.

I'm not worried about monkeys with robot arms. Monkeys are fairly easily defeated (unless armored) and often lack the basic ability to figure out where to find AC outlets to recharge the arm batteries. Lure them out into the countryside and soon they'll pose no threat.

HOWEVER...a robot with monkey arms is terrifying. Robots can be near-invunerable and lacking taste buds can simply injest any handy source of nutrients to keep the arms in good condition. Plus a sufficiently large and complex robot can easily control a dozen monkey arms at once. And we all know how well monkeys use their arms to fling feces at their enemies. Imagine that times 6 and tell me that much flying poo doesn't make you shudder and fear for the human race.

Slippery slope my friends. Slippery slope.

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Re: Monkeys With Robot Arms......Bad idea or Terrible idea?

06/02/2008 4:36 AM

lmao! talk about the sh!t hitting the fan...

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