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Hurricane vs. Typhoon?

08/31/2006 9:13 AM

When I was younger, I was taught that hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean were called "hurricanes" while their meteorological counterparts in the Pacific Ocean were referred to as "typhoons." Hurricane John, which is currently hitting the Pacific coast of Mexico is being referred to as a "hurricane" and not a "typhoon." Why is this the case? Was I taught something incorrect (or am I misremembering it)? Is there a cutoff point in the Pacific Ocean where the nomenclature changes?

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Hurricane vs. Typhoon

08/31/2006 10:36 AM

I was taught the same, and hearing about "John" in Mexico sound odd. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon and scroll down a bit past halfway, to "Regional Terminology" for more information.

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Re:Hurricane vs. Typhoon

08/31/2006 10:49 AM

Thanks for the link! That explains alot.

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Re:Hurricane vs. Typhoon

09/01/2006 8:42 AM

If you are going to post a link, please make it active! There is an example just below the comment box where you type your posting so it will appear like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon

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09/01/2006 10:29 AM

Sorry! I tried four times to follow the example, but the display showed everything beyond "URL" as part of the live (blue, underlined) link. I observe the same phenomenon today in a posted response to "Large Machinery for Large Job". That link still appears to function; I admit that I did not try mine when it was displayed in the comment box [but, given the different operation (CTRL + right click), and the other changes that can occur between what shows on my screen vs. the posted final version, I would not be inclined to trust the results, anyway!]. I then said "Bleep it!" and posted what you saw. (Aside: is the opposite of a hyperlink a hypolink?)

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09/01/2006 10:54 AM

That is why I always put my URL references at the bottom of the posting. Then up above that in the body of the text I will put, "See URL below", or something like that.

One of the moderators did respond that CR4 is working on fixing that bug, but in the meantime I will continue to use my work-around.

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09/01/2006 10:57 AM

We'll be rolling out the new platform mid-September. One of the major changes is the implementation of a WYSIWYG editor that will simplify the posting process. No more hand coding will be required.

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Re: Posting Hyperlink

09/01/2006 11:25 AM

Hmmm....from Merriam-Webster we find:

Main Entry: hypo-
Variant(s): or hyp-
Function: prefix
Etymology: Late Latin hypo-, hyp-, from Greek, from hypo -- more at UP
1 : under : beneath : down
2 : less than normal or normally
3 : in a lower state of oxidation : in a low and usually the lowest position in a series of compounds

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Main Entry: hyper-
Function: prefix
Etymology: Latin hyper-, from Greek, from hyper -- more at OVER
1 : above : beyond : SUPER-
2 a : excessively b : excessive
3 : that is or exists in a space of more than three dimensions
4 : bridging points within an entity (as a database or network) nonsequentially

So, I guess a "hypolink" would be a link that goes nowhere, just like yours did! (grin)

That opens up a whole new range of ideas for words, let's see:

hyperchondria - being excited about having imaginary diseases?

hyperthesis - synonym for conclusion?

hypoventilating - breathing too slowly, holding one's breath?

hypertenuse - the sum of the two short sides in a right triangle, e.g. the longer path taken by going in one direction for a short distance, then turning 90 degrees and completing your travel towards the destination, instead of taking the direct route in a straight line towards your destination?

Hey, this is fun! (hyperenjoyable?)

Finally (hyperoriginally?):

hypospace - less than 3 dimensions, as in a terrestrial map or the fictional "Flatland". Also, the size of my cubical!

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Re: Posting Hyperlink

09/01/2006 12:28 PM

That's hy-larious! Methinks it is time that this became a separate thread of its own. It's too funny to let die, I hyperthesize. Let's see: hyperdermic tubing never penetrates the skin, and . . .

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Re:Hurricane vs. Typhoon

09/01/2006 11:00 AM

According to noaa.org.................... A hurricane is a severe tropical storm that forms in the North Atlantic Ocean, the Northeast Pacific Ocean east of the dateline, or the South Pacific Ocean east of 160E. Hurricanes need warm tropical oceans, moisture and light winds above them. If the right conditions last long enough, a hurricane can produce violent winds, incredible waves, torrential rains and floods. In other regions of the world, these types of storms have different names. Typhoon — (the Northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline) Severe Tropical Cyclone — (the Southwest Pacific Ocean west of 160E or Southeast Indian Ocean east of 90E) Severe Cyclonic Storm — (the North Indian Ocean) Tropical Cyclone — (the Southwest Indian Ocean) http://hurricanes.noaa.gov/

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Typhoons and Hurricanes

09/01/2006 1:09 AM

Typhoons are erratic wind without any proper shape and are spread over large space. Hurricanes are a conical shaped easily locatable wind channel that also moves to large distances with smaller zone in its contact. Hurricanes are somewhat similar to cyclonic formation on sea surface. Hurricanes form on dry surface.When you say Typhoon, then you have idea of large area effect of wind. It is not so in Hurricanes. You can be just few hundred meters away from Hurricane and may feel no danger at all.

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09/01/2006 8:33 AM

I think you're confusing a hurricane with a tornado.

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Re:Typhoons and Hurricanes

09/01/2006 11:30 AM

Yeah, he is way off, man!

Typhoons and Hurricanes definitely have a specific shape and direction. It is just that they are so large it is not as obvious as when a tornado comes a-knockin'! But you can definitely see it in satellite photos.

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Re:Typhoons and Hurricanes

09/01/2006 11:43 AM

Yes, the world by remote sensing is rather a small ball. Empire state building is not even a pin projecting out of that ball.

I think some one should come up with dictionary definition.

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Re:Typhoons and Hurricanes

09/01/2006 12:13 PM

As far as storm dimensions and dynamics go, hurricanes and typhoons are the same phenomenon. The difference in name is simply that the two regions adopted different names. In the Orient the name has always been typhoon, whereas the name hurricane is one adopted by European sailors on this side of the world, much later, to describe an event that doesn't occur in Europe.

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09/01/2006 12:25 PM

However, the word "hurricane" actually derives from the Hispanic form of a Caribbean native word. Merriam-Webster says:

Main Entry: 1hur·ri·cane
Pronunciation: 'h&r-&-"kAn, -i-k&n, 'h&-r&-, 'h&-ri-
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish huracán, from Taino hurakán
1 : a tropical cyclone with winds of 74 miles (119 kilometers) per hour or greater that occurs especially in the western Atlantic, that is usually accompanied by rain, thunder, and lightning, and that sometimes moves into temperate latitudes

So, I believe the natives had a similar word for it (which the Spanish later adapted/adopted) long before the Europeans arrived!

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09/19/2006 7:34 AM

No offense but...off by a weather system...on almost all points. I'll post to the original question to help clear up the basic question.

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09/01/2006 8:46 AM

Western hemisphere - hurricane Eastern hemisphere - typhoon It's the USA being different than the rest of the world. We like to do that you know.

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09/01/2006 9:10 AM

Without checking, I believe the term hurricane came from the native people of the Caribbean.

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09/01/2006 11:20 AM

Read the Wikipedia link. The term "Hurricane" comes from the spanish word for the Caribbean Amerindian storm god: "hurac¨¢n" The word "typhoon" (according to the Wikipedia link) comes from the Chinese ´óïL (daaih f¨±ng (Cantonese); d¨¤ f¨¥ng (Mandarin)) which means "great wind."

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09/01/2006 9:47 AM

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Re: Hurricane vs. Typhoon?

09/19/2006 8:57 AM

Okay, here it is.

Tropical cyclones (a rotating, low pressure vortex weather system into which surface air is drawn in at the bottom and flows outward aloft) are given different terms based solely on their location.

In the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific - Hurricanes

In the S. Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean, and/or Coral Sea (E-W-N) off the coastlines of Australia - Cyclones

In all of the Indian Ocean - Cyclones

In the western N. Pacific Ocean (Asia east coast) - Typhoons (except...)

In the Philippines - Baguios

All tropical cyclones originate over the oceans. They are highly organized with the most intense winds usually located in the right front quarter of the advancing storm, where also dozens or hundreds of tornadoes may be imbedded/spawned at time of landfall. Typhoons are generally more intense, but not different in cause, organization, or behavior than Hurricanes. Tropical cyclones end as a result of making landfall. Tropical cyclones spin counterclockwise.

Midlattitude cyclones--something quite different and with different causes than tropical cyclones--spin counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere, clockwise in the southern, due to opposite coriolis force direction. Anticyclones spin in the opposite direction--CW in the NH and CCW in the SH. Midlattitude cyclonic systems (or wave cyclones) form as a result of conflicting air mass fronts, cold dry air from poleward, warm moist air from equatorward. Midlattitude wave cyclones generally form (cyclogenesis) along polar fronts, usually in the region of the Aleutian (with N. American cyclonic systems) or Icelandic (with Eurasian cyclonic systems) subpolar low pressure cells. With cyclones, air spirals into a low pressure area; with anticyclones, air spirals out from a high pressure area. A very intense form of extra-tropical cyclone is the mesocyclone, which forms aloft (again due to conflicting frontal air masses) and sometimes descends to the ground where it is called a tornado.

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12/04/2006 6:46 AM

Thank you! End of story.

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08/14/2007 10:18 AM

Come on man, get with it! These guys are only just warming up! If there is an anti-cyclone, is there also an anti-tornado or an anti-hurricane? And if not, why not?

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08/16/2007 9:58 AM

Truman Brain,

Read more carefully...a mesocylone and hurricane (by any name) are special (particularly intense) forms, respectively, of cyclones. But not vice versa. A plain ol' cyclone is not a toned down version of a hurricane or a tornado. If the anti- forms that you propose could exist, then the anti-anti, or non-anti, forms could not. What was anti-, we would call the opposite--because the opposite of opposite was never observed. To have anti-tornado or anti-hurricane would only be a change of wording, but not a change of fact.

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Re: Hurricane vs. Typhoon?

08/17/2007 8:33 AM

Would that then be an anti-wording?

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08/20/2007 5:27 AM

Loosely speaking, exactly!

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