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Measuring Humidity Using Capacitive Sensors

09/04/2006 8:43 AM

There is simple way to measure relative humidity using capacitive sensors. Relaxation oscillator made from RC time constant gives very accurate pulse width or frequency signal directly related to the humidity.
One can also send the information on optical fiber very easily. see my article published in Electronics Design magazine of Penton publication some time ago
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1& ArticleID=1684
You can get these HS1101 Humidity Sensors from www.humirel.com in sample quentity for testing 5 for $75. You can also ask for my help to get these samples if you wish to try them. I buy from Humirel France.
Sensors are great for green house, home, cigar humidor and weather monitoring
If you try this sensor and find the result interesting one then share these with others. This technology can be learnt by almost any one with little or no great knowledge of electronics.
Similat things to learn are LPG gas leakage alarm, smoke sensor, water contamination sensor, soil moisture sensor, daylight sensor, water level sensor etc that one can learn at home. We can have some fun in learning real life things.
In 2006-2007 I will have a team of 200 engineers learning so many things. See the fun areas of learning here
http://www.sensorstechnology.com/
If you start doing such small things at home then one day you can become highly useful person for the society. I am willing to help any one who wants to learn useful ideas.
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I am the author of US Patent # 6,014,029

09/05/2006 1:52 AM

Hi Shyam

I am the author, but not owner, of US Patent # 6,014,029 of a permittivity sensor for soil moisture measurement. It operates at UHF frequencies where permittivity is almost a pure real number with negligible complex part, thus the sensor is independent of the conductivity and PH of the soil. The sensor is basically an LC oscillator.

But now I have new designs that are based on a principle exactly "orthogonal" to that of my own patent. These new designs overcome several problems found on varying the kind of soil or material.

The problem is to find a market and a way to protect this idea, because the purpose is to do business, but to present this endeavour has proved to be almost impossible, companies try to get all ideas almost for free, the danger comes from Asian countries, they copy everything preventing incentives to their own people.

Jaime F. Soto, EE
http://www.matharts.cl/

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Re:I am the author of US Patent # 6,014,029

09/05/2006 12:16 PM

I wonder if there is an application for monitoring moisture in wood .In a kiln application or as a remote sensor in a finished wood supply for better presentation to buyers .Or in duct work to avoid conditions that mold might grow .Free for the taking brother ,as a fellow inventor I understand your pain .

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Re:Wood moisture

09/07/2006 3:10 PM

Moisture measurement for wood is possible using different methods. Surface moisture can be measured by mid infrared light reflection. These optical bands are in 900nm to 2200nm range. LED and IR detector can do the job.

Another way is to take small portion of wood, weigh it and heat it and weigh it again. Too much heat will also remove the wood oil. This method is good for leaves.

I am not so sure about ultrasound velocity change due to water in wood but can be tried out if wood is uniform and flawless.

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Re:I am the author of US Patent # 6,014,029

09/07/2006 2:55 PM

Dear Jaime,

I think you should make your technology projected for areas where money is not a serious problem. Also it must have ease to use it, reliability and reusability. I can only suggest few areas where you can try to project the idea.

Concrete solidification is highly moisture dependent and requires good sensor that can profile some depth.

Industrial materials and industrial waste, mine ore etc also require moisture sensor.

Surface soil moisture is measured for automatic water spray in green house and farming.

Perhaps you can dig out more such areas.

Marketing of products is as important as its development. Perhaps hire an agency to market your product with profit sharing.

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Re:I am the author of US Patent # 6,014,029

09/08/2006 10:50 PM

Hi Shyam

The main problem is how to protect ideas. Most of my designs must be tested at the client laboratories, because I lack the modern instruments they have, but of course, once I experiment something there, the danger of coping basic principles is real. For example recently I designed and tested an all digital spread spectrum oscillator that generates band limited spectral bands, I mean a noise band whose spectrum is flat and precisely limited between two programmable frequencies without using any analogue filter. It is a functional block programmed inside a Xilinx FPGA. But it is so simple that it would be easily copied and even sent by internet to anywhere. My only defence is to encrypt the macro. In the case of the sensor, it is impossible to protect the idea, because it is even more simple and cheap. I guess you have the same problems in India, lack of protection to ideas, thus lack of incentives to have new ideas, the same problem occurs in China, that means a disincentive to imagine new ideas or solutions, and that is not egoism, it is just a problem of survivability, how to live based on innovation in countries where ideas are not protected. I believe that the main cause of misery is lack of protection of property, not only physical property, as in agriculture and construction, but intellectual property, I believe these are the main obstacles to India an China.

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Re:I am the author of US Patent # 6,014,029

09/09/2006 1:30 AM

Dear Jaime

Patent process is slow and expensive. You have to file first in your country and then in other countries. You also have to wait for years. If you can't market the patent then it loses its purpose.

Copy you need not worry as you can always as for payment for loss suffered.

Have a no disclosure agreement with any one you talk business.

Some time what you think is right may not be right at all. Getting patent does not mean that things are perfact.

If you think you know to make Spread Spectrum device or even an oscillator then talk to www.maxim-ic.com or other manufacturers of similar items. They may buy the idea alone. They right now use analog process using their GHz ASIC.

Never get frustrated just because there is no one to buy your ideas. Feel great that you could do it. I published several hundreds of my new design ideas in EDN, Electronics Design and Electronics Wireless World.

Shyam

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