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Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/06/2008 4:34 AM

what is the conversion factor for NM3/Hr to M3/Hr. and for what condition ( Temp., Pressure)

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/06/2008 5:03 AM

Normal conditions are defined as 0°C (273K) and 1 atm absolute.

So if actual m3/h = Qact, normal m3/h = QN, actual temp and absolute pressure are Pact , atm and Tact , K

Qact = QN x Tact /(273 x Pact)

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08/06/2008 10:51 PM

so how many NM^3/hr = M^3/hr?

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/07/2008 4:57 AM

Hello Guest

You need put in values for Tact and Pact. Values weren't given in original post and in any case a general formula is more use than a figure based on specific values. #3 has rearranged the formula to make it easier, and given an example!

Ref post #5 - your figure presumably correct for your situation but doesn't apply in general.

Ref post #6 - OK, I was assuming ideal gas laws, it's usually close enough.

Cheers.........Codey

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07/29/2009 5:33 AM

Basic formula to find the constant for conversion of Nm3/hr to m3/hr.

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

11/28/2022 8:12 AM

See #2⇑.

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/07/2024 7:44 AM

See #2↑

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/07/2008 1:47 AM

Well to my reckoning (me not knowing anything - is this to do with normalized gas volume for metering purposes) just rearrange the formula:

Nm3/h = m3/h * (273 x Pact)/Tact

or to put it another way,

Nm3/h per m3/h = (273 x Pact)/Tact = (273 x Pact)/(Tact(Celsius)+273)

For example at average air pressure and 25 degrees C you would have 273/(25+273) = 0.916 Nm3/h per m3/h.

Your actual mileage may vary

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/07/2008 1:58 AM

This could be interesting to read for "Condition".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_conditions_for_temperature_and_pressure

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08/07/2008 2:45 AM

Sorry to add more...

From universal gas law for ideal gas,

PV = (m/MW) RT [Eq.1]

P = the absolute pressure of the gas, in Pa
m = mass, in kg
MW = molecular weight, in kg-mole
V = the volume of the gas, in m3
T = the absolute temperature of the gas, in K
R = the universal gas law constant of 8.3145 m3·Pa/(mol·K)

To relate it to real gas condition, compressibility factor (z) is added.

PV = z (m/MW) RT.[Eq.2]

At condition 1 ==> P1 x V1 = z1 (m1 / MW1) R x T1 [Eq.3]
At condition 2 ==> P2 x V2 = z2 (m2 / MW2) R x T12 [Eq.4]

Same gas composition and flow or quantity
==> MW1=MW2, m1=m2,

[Eq.4] / [Eq.3]
==> (P2/P1) x (V2/V1) = (z2/z1) x (T2/T1)
==> V2 = (z2/z1) x (T2/T1) x (P1/P2) x V1

Using Volumetric rate (Q),
==> Q2 = (z2/z1) x (T2/T1) x (P1/P2) x Q1

If condition 2 is actual (act) and condition 1 is normal(N) (i.e. 1 atm @ 0 degC)

At Normal condition Z1=Zn~1, P1 = Pact = 1 atm
==> Qact = z2 x QN x Tact / (273.15 x Pact)
where Pact in atm,

Above equation same as equation presented by Codemaster in post #1 but with inclusion of compressibility factor to relate ideal to real gas condition,The z2 factor could be range from 0.5 to 1.2 subject to composition, pressure and temperature. At low pressure, z could be closed to 1. This end-up with Codmaster equation.

The relationship between ideal and real can be more complicated as derived in by Van der Waals, Redlick-Kwong, Peng-Robinson, etc. Read more in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_gas

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Re: Nm3/hr to M3/hr .

08/07/2008 2:02 AM

we are using following quick formula.

NM3/Hr X 1.16 = M3/Hr.

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08/07/2008 5:46 PM

Your formula can be correct for one condition .

If actual vol is more than normal volume your actual condition should be below atmosphere,that is vacume

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The <...we...> needs to state why.

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