Previous in Forum: Flat Pannel Layout Software   Next in Forum: Wanted: Programmable PLCs
Close
Close
Close
6 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 16

Brown Outs and Microcontroller ICs

08/22/2008 12:13 AM

what is brown out in the microcontroller ICs?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#1

Re: brown out

08/22/2008 2:34 AM

No such thing as far as I'm concerned.
A voltage dip may be low enough to cause the microcontroller to do a reset, or negative spikes on the supply may reset it. (Hysteresis would normally stop it bouncing on/off repeatedly although some of my software produces a similar effect)

A micro controller is a digital device...thus 'brownout' with it's implied reduced voltage/performance ins't possible... The micro is either on or off.

I'm willing to be corrected if someone has found a micro which has logic states 0,1 and 0.75

Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Jersey U.S.A.
Posts: 1114
Good Answers: 38
#2
In reply to #1

Re: brown out

08/22/2008 10:59 AM

I'm willing to be corrected if someone has found a micro which has logic states 0,1 and 0.75

Really confuse them and make it 0.1001011

I agree with Del. It either has it or it "Don't"

__________________
The last fight was my fault. My wife asked "What's on the TV?" I said "Dust!"
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
Good Answers: 12
#3
In reply to #1

Re: brown out

08/23/2008 12:00 AM

It is possible for a low voltage state on a microcontroller to cause portions of the internal circuitry to malfunction. This would most likely cause the system to lock up and need a reset. Some older ICs used to have issues with low power causing them to work inefficiently and potentially causing the IC damage, but I haven't heard of that in a very long time.

The best bet in an undervoltage situation with a microcontroller is just have an automatic shutdown and reboot the chip when the power comes back to normal. Better yet, regulate the power supply better.

Good luck,

Doug

__________________
A robot must risk his neck for his brother man, and may not cop out when there's danger all about. - Isaac Hayes' First Law of Robotics
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Etats Unis
Posts: 1871
Good Answers: 45
#4

Re: Brown Outs and Microcontroller ICs

08/23/2008 12:49 AM

Microcontrollers are implemented with MOS transistors that have a minimum required gate voltage to turn on the transistor. So below a certain voltage the transistors will not be properly on which then of course means the digital state become ambiguous at some point and operation can become erratic and unpredictable.

Many manufacturers put a brown out detect circuit to hold the controller in reset below a certain operating voltage to prevent erroneous operation. There are also external reset generators that can do the same below a preset threshold voltage.

__________________
The hardest thing to overcome, is not knowing that you don't know.
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 479
Good Answers: 9
#5

Re: Brown Outs and Microcontroller ICs

08/23/2008 10:20 AM

Tell us which IC so I can look at the datasheet where the answer will be given.

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Brown Outs and Microcontroller ICs

08/23/2008 1:21 PM

The first 68HC11 could reprogram their registers if the power was brought up or down too slow. Search for LVI in http://www.mil.ufl.edu/imdl/papers/IMDL_Report_Fall_96/Jeff_Webb/final.pdf

The memory could become unstable at 4volts. I have seen it happen on one board. I expect most CPU's do it internanly now days.

Gordon

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 6 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

charsley99 (1); drobertson (1); Gordon Couger (1); rcapper (1); user-deleted-1105 (1); user-deleted-9 (1)

Previous in Forum: Flat Pannel Layout Software   Next in Forum: Wanted: Programmable PLCs
You might be interested in: Radio Receiver ICs, Radio Transmitter ICs

Advertisement