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effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 12:33 AM

why do the contactor coil remains energised even if supply is turned off from control end? does the cable capacitace play any role?

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 3:40 AM

No. Look elsewhere for the problem.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 4:30 AM

No check your control circuit for bad wiring or defective PB

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 6:43 AM

No, not capacitance.

Look for:

mechanical binding, including a weak spring if you use springs

magnetization of the core/frame

welding pits in the contacts

a malfunction in the control

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/27/2008 5:01 AM

I would have to agree with TVP45. It appears probable that you are welding your contacts together. This can at the beginning cause the contacts to "stick" for up to several seconds before dropping out. eventually the contacts will most likely weld together permanently. If it is a NEMA style contactor, pull it apart and check the contacts. If it one of the cute new mini contactors made of cheap plastic look for a lot of arcing when it closes. Could also be a mechanical bind, but in my experience it is usually contactors welding.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 7:28 AM

The capacitance effect of cables does cause problems of contactors not dropping off. This mostly happens with control cable lengths of above 500mtrs. Generally seen when the STOP command is given in the field from a local control station near the motor and the contactor (feeding switchboard) is loacted in a far away loacted substation.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/26/2008 7:56 AM

Assuming something like 33pF/m for the cable, that gives about 50nF. Given a contactor coil resistance of, say, 1kΩ, the time constant comes out to 50μs.

Don't see how you could possibly store enough energy is the cables to hold a contactor in.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/27/2008 3:00 AM

As the cable capacitance increases with length, a limit is placed on the distance at which the switching device can be located to avoid latching of the contactor
even after Stop / Open command. The limiting distance is impacted by control voltage. Lower the voltage, higher the permissible length of the control cable.

The limiting value of cable length can be calculated as follows, which in turn
indicates the maximum limit on the length of control cable in metres.

L < (BM/(2pi(f)(r)(squareof U)))x (P/(P+1))x10 raised to power 9

where BM is hold on VA

f is frequency

r is capacitance of cable in microfaraday per km

U is rated control circuit voltage

P is U/drop of voltage


As can be seen from the formula, the limit on length of cable can be increased
by using lower control voltage. However, the selection of lower voltage level should
be selected such that it doesn't affect the pick up operation of contactor.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

09/04/2008 5:48 AM

thanks a lot, it really helped!

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/27/2008 11:30 AM

Refer to page 327 of ABB Switchgear Manual (10th revised edition)

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08/31/2008 6:41 PM

It's not in my library - is it available on line? If so, please give us a link.

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Re: effect of cable capacitance on contactors

08/31/2008 7:58 PM

If the question is written correctly, cable capacitance plays no part. The OP says the supply is turned off at the control end. Off means off. If that is the case, the capacitance will hold the contactor only a few msec at best.

However, cable capacitance may prevent the controller from actually turning off. That is a different matter and a different question.

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