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FLOOR LIVE LOAD

09/04/2008 11:36 PM

GUD MORNING!

MAY I ASK WHAT IS THE FLOOR LIVE LOAD FOR LIGHT WAREHOUSE, SECOND FLOOR?

THANKS,

RODEL

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Re: FLOOR LIVE LOAD

09/04/2008 11:52 PM

Hello Rodel,

You don't give your location. It really depends on your building code. In the case of the National Building Code of Canada, the minimum live load requirement for a storage area is 4.8 kPa (100 psf).

Please turn off your Caps Lock key. Some of the folks in CR4 consider capital letters to be the literary equivalent of shouting...although I have never really understood why. I expect I will find out in the very near future.

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09/05/2008 12:04 AM

Hello ba/ael

The use of ALL CAPITALS in Internet Forums is regarded as both bad manners, and the equivalent of shouting at the reader.

Refer:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

<"....Another rule is to avoid typing in ALL CAPS, which is considered shouting or yelling....">

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09/05/2008 12:16 AM

Hello Sparkstation,

As always, I bow to your greater wisdom in these matters. In the case of engineering drawings, the practice in Ontario (a small province in Canada) was to use lower case letters for all printing. When I moved back to the grand province of Alberta (home of the tar sands), I found that almost everyone used capital letters in architectural and engineering drawings. I didn't particularly like the idea, but, being a mild mannered, peaceable sort of fellow, I learned to live with it. I really don't think it is a big deal, but, as you can see, I am conforming to your strict standards.

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09/05/2008 11:16 PM

i suppose you understand engineering drawing practice has nothing to do with interacting on this fourm or sending e-mails with capital letters.

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09/05/2008 11:23 PM

So, what the heck is your point? Assuming you have one!

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09/05/2008 11:55 PM

its left to you as to what you are

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09/06/2008 12:26 AM

Hello crm

I trust we are not needing the sign at left.

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09/06/2008 9:16 AM

"Some of the folks in CR4 consider capital letters to be the literary equivalent of shouting.."

Generally, it is the subset of folks within the CR4 community who used what is now referred to as the "Internet" back in the old days (before Al Gore invented the "Internet", i.e. BBS, newsgroups, Gopher, etc.). Generally, those whose use predate the "Windows OS".

There was a strong culture with code on what was "right" and what was "wrong" usage. CAPS was always considered rude and wrong then. Ah, the good old days! "Gone with the Wind".

But if still curious Google "FAQ Rude CAPS".

The main point is this is not something unique to CR4, but rather to early (and hopefully still) netiquette.

:)

Notice for this occasion I have used a retro smile from the bye gone era when manners mattered.

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09/05/2008 3:11 AM

Hello "Guest", Rodel.

The question cannot be properly answered in the present form.

Even if the building was a reinforced concrete one, you would need to advise design structure of the floor

You would need to advise:

  1. Type of structure
  2. Age of Structure
  3. Location of Building, including the Country
  4. Earthquake zone - if applicable
  5. Other relevant facts.

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09/06/2008 8:27 AM

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09/12/2008 4:50 PM

Dont forget any applicable use information, importance factors and special equipment loads such as forklifts operations.

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Re: FLOOR LIVE LOAD

09/06/2008 10:09 AM

as widely use, the minimum uniformly distributed LIVE LOAD for light storage warehouse is 6.0kPa. other designers used 11.97kPa (minimum uniformly distributed live load for heavy storage warehouse) to anticipate the ignorance of the occupants to understand what is light storage & heavy storage. there are cases that the area was designed and utilized as light storage but later for any reasons (new occupant or the occupant divert to other bussiness, etc), the area was utilized as heavy storage warehouse without consulting the engineer/s.

the given data is applicable not only to the 2nd floor but to any other levels as long as it is light storage warehouse. it is also applicable to any type of structures that supports the loading (whether concrete decking & beams or timber deck & joists or steel deck & beams or combination maybe). the weight of supporting structures and ceiling materials are considered as DEAD LOAD.

age of the structure or duration of service will be adjusted to your design factor.

earthquake zone is only needed if you are calculating the EARTHQUAKE OR SEISMIC LOAD.

there are also other loadings you have to consider if you are designing a structure such as SNOW LOAD, WIND LOAD, RAIN LOAD, etc.

you may use the given data above as long as it is not below the minimum requirements as per building code of the country (where the structure will be erected) or you may use the minimum requirements stated on their building code.

in my own opinion, using capital letters doesn't always mean shouting. sometimes, i used capital letters if i would like to emphasize the word/s or the sentence or the pharagraph/s. actually the guest so polite because he/she used "may i".

i may say that he/she is shouting if during our conversation and we argued because we have different opinion, and suddenly he/she used capital lettersfor the whole conversation, then that is shouting for me.

according to my officemate: even you used small letters, or capital letters or combination, and the one who will read is already drunk, he wil read it aloud (shouting or almost shouting) hehehe.

the point is - IT DEPENDS ON THE READERS

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