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Missing Sunspots?

09/05/2008 3:51 PM

For the first time in almost a century, an entire month has passed without a single sunspot being visible on the sun's surface. The event is significant because sunspots are caused by solar magnetic activity, and solar magnetic activity is increasingly believed by climatologists to be one of the primary factors influencing the earth's climate. It is not uncommon to see 100 or more sunspots in a single month, but during the first seven months of 2008, the sun averaged only three spots, followed by the total disappearance of spots last month.

The disappearance of sunspots has caught most astronomers by surprise and defied almost all predictions, though one observatory seems to have gotten it right. In 2005, a pair of astronomers from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson wrote a paper predicting that within 10 years, sunspots would disappear entirely. But their peers laughed at the two astronomers, and Science refused to publish their paper on the grounds that it was too controversial. In the end, "consensus" stifled scientific debate, and the NSO astronomers were ignored.

The scientific community is paying attention now, however. Some climate scientists believe that the sun's "dynamo" (the process that creates its magnetic field) might be idling. As the sun's dynamo slows and sunspot activity decreases, the sun's magnetosphere is reduced, affecting cloud formation and climate modulation on earth. A long absence of sunspots has happened three times in the past 1,000 years: the Dalton, Maunder and Sporer Minimums. The Maunder Minimum coincided with the 400-year Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America endured bitterly cold winters that devastated agriculture.

If we are indeed entering another solar minimum on the scale of the Maunder Minimum, we can expect severe global cooling to follow, stressing both the agriculture and energy industries. The practice of harvesting corn for use as fuel ethanol will likely become a distant memory, and the United States' short-sighted energy policies could mean there won't be enough heating oil, natural gas and electricity to go around in the severest of winters. We hope it won't come to that, but if it does, at least Al Gore will be where he belongs: out in the cold.

-The Patriot Post, Vol.8 No.36, 9/5/08

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Re: Missing Spots?

09/05/2008 4:01 PM

aaahhh! the calm before the storm.

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09/05/2008 5:58 PM

I love it when scientists are certain about stuff. Often when they are most certain they are proven to be most wrong........

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09/05/2008 8:32 PM

I want to be the first one to blame that on global warming.

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09/06/2008 1:58 AM

Dear All.

recently i recd. following e-mail, is it logical to be true?

Sanjay.

Coming October 17,

2008 the sun will rise continuously for 36 hrs (1.5 days). During this time

the US countries will be dark for 1.5

days.

It will convert 3

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09/06/2008 2:54 AM

Hi Guest,

why not login?

How do we know about the historic sunspot minima?

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09/06/2008 3:14 AM

Maybe it's a couple of years early to panic ?

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09/06/2008 4:05 AM

Caution:

This statement may NOT be politically correct

This statement may NOT support the global warming theory!!!!!!!!!

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09/06/2008 8:34 AM

It's just Mother Nature's way of combatting global warming - we'll doubless end up right where we started. Won't we?

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09/06/2008 9:58 AM

This was interesting until the ad hominen attack at the end. The Al Gore bashing gets tiresome after a while.

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09/06/2008 10:01 AM

Nah, I never get tired of the Al Gore bashing. He is such a twit that bashing him can only be entertaining...

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09/06/2008 10:26 AM

And to think, once it was more fun to bash Tipper...

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09/06/2008 5:35 PM

Wow, I got an off topic score of 6. I dont think that has ever happened to me before.... I scored myself of topic for a 5, but someone reinforced that.... cool.

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09/06/2008 8:21 PM

You are up to seven Steve S, not by me! Bad science rates a twit title. Go Steve Go!

Had a guest telling CR4 members how to respond by berating them. I gave sir guest both barrels, in 24 hrs no such comment or response existed. I thought I was very tactful if a bit to the point. When I return to see sir guest's responce... Oh well.

Hard it is to find a man that will stand up and say what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.

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09/07/2008 12:01 PM

and guess what,

Now you can't say Al Gore never did nothing for you.

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09/07/2008 12:30 PM

Up to 8 now!

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09/06/2008 4:23 PM

To bash Gore or to not bash Gore?

As a scientist I would respect him but he is not a scientist, he is a politician (not to be confused for a statesman) Politically bad science is a form of lying (politicians excel at this). Out of ignorance or corruption are both condemnable in a leader.

I brought up the Sunspot connection about a month ago on CR4. (not as a thread )

Here in eastern Washington state we have had the coolest August anyone can remember. Locally 1 day above 100oF, last year we may have had 1 day below 100oF for highs. This year mostly in the 80's not even 90's and even some 70's. Just maybe this is where the Farmer's Almanac gets its predictions from.

Good topic Guest (I'm biased, I'm sure)

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09/07/2008 6:51 AM

Hi Guest,

What the hell are you moaning about, where I live over here in the middle of England "I havn't seen the f***ing sun at all this august"!

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09/08/2008 10:23 AM

I believe you should go for the record! I just made you 9 even though I agree with you!!!!

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09/08/2008 11:35 AM

Last I heard, Del the cat had the record (and rightly so, I might add) with 11 - 6 earned, 5 self-inflicted - off topic votes. I'm willing to let him keep it...

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09/08/2008 12:17 PM

Sparky and Del hold all the records, and that is as it should be. I am just honored to be rated so far off topic!

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09/08/2008 12:40 PM

11 - 6 earned, 5 self-inflicted - off topic votes

Del likes the attention............good and bad........paw slaps face

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