What is This Engine?

Hello BLC

If you are able to advise the following, it may assist in identification:

From where did the engine arrive for you to see it? = The source.

What identifying names are on other parts:

1. Starter Motor - Make and part Number
2. Starter Relay/solenoid - Make and part Number
3. Alternator - Make and part Number
4. Injection Pump - Make and part Number
5. Turbo - Make and part Number
6. Oil Filter Element - Make and part Number
7. Air Filter Element - Make and part Number
8. Glow Plugs - Make and part Number
9. Other sub-parts - Make and part Number
10. If you have taken off the head, advise bore diameter and swept volume, along with the Compression Ratio.
11. Any other useful facts which may aid identification.
12. A few more photos may assist, too.
    

Advise please

If it is yourselves rebuilding the motor, and all identifying marks have previously been removed, it is probable the motor has been stolen at some time, perhaps even in another country, shipped out to your country, sold to another, and you have ended up with it.

Kind Regards....

No markings - ANYWHERE !

Hello again BLC

Almost certainly a stolen unit, because there is no proper other reason for all markings to have been removed.

Please read what information was asked for, in my earlier reply.

At the very least, advise the following, which may enable a start on Engine identification.

1. Remove the air filter, and oil filter, look at the Cartridge Make and Part Number, which should be printed on the outside - Advise please.
2. Dismantle the Alternator, look at the Diodes on the Diode plates - advise small markings (Type Number etc) on the side of the diodes - Advise please.
3. The same with other parts, look for part numbers - Advise please.
   
4. Pull off the head, measure bore diameter and swept volume - Advise please.
5. Tip the head upside down, place on a level surface, establish how much water volume is required to fill the head depression - Advise please.
6. Using (4) and (5) above, you can then calculate the Compression Ratio - Advise please.
7. The Head gasket should have markings on it, advise what those are.
8. To know what engine this is, you may need to remove the sump, undo a big-end journal, and measure the journal diameter - advise please.

Unless you are prepared to truck this motor around all the Engine Reconditioners you know, you are going to have to do the above, getting dirty hands in the process.

If I was on-site, I could do the above, and have the engine Make, model etc within a day, but as you may appreciate, I cannot physically dismantle parts via remote control.

Reply here - Advise please with and hopefully a proper answer may be given.

Kind Regards....

Sparky, one thing you didn't figure into this problem:

In the 80's there were embargos reguarding shipping certain things into RSA, so a lot of equipment was 'sanitized' before shipment, and even now, they won't say squat about an item if it will come back to haunt them.

I've done work for some arms dealers who have neat stories to tell of seeing pallets of God-only-knows-what beeing prepped for shipment to RSA.

Allen

Hello Locksmith Al

Thanks for the advice re "equipment sanitisation" before export to RSA, which was a possibility I had not thought about.

Perhaps that is the cause in this case.

Kind Regards....

If I was on-site, I could do the above, and have the engine Make, model etc within a day - of course you could !!!!!!

Talk about blowing your own trumpet.

Hello "Guest" who is frightened to Post under their Member's name.

It's not trumpet blowing, just the facts.

Kind Regards....

....as usual, a (-n unwanted) jest (guest or troll) chiming in who has not the guts to join and give himself a name and some character.....

Who will probably try (completely unsuccessfully in) slagging me off (water off a ducks back as far as I am concerned) because I hit him right between the eyes......

I should stop doing it as it is just too easy.

Its as easy as potting ducks that walk right up to you and beg to be shot!!!

Hello Andy Germany:

I agree with you totally. I just wonder why some people who perhaps would not know a 'big-end' if they saw one, insist on throwing insults around?

Can't fathom it myself If they joined or signed in properly and hung around they might learn something which just may help them or others they know in the future.

stay safe

babybear

Really well put and thanks.

Hello Andy Germany:

Thanks. I had to say something about this as, it was 'someone with no name' who tried to screw one of the few threads I started. They ended up being so rude, not just me but anyone who 'apparently' believed and understood what I was talking about!

stay safe

babybear

The engine looks like and early Cummings. The cylinder heads are split two cylinders each. Correct? The injection pump mount is a bit strange and I do not recall seeing that set up before.

The only other design of this type I have seen is Perkins. Around 1960.

Cummins ruled it out as Cummins. They have a tappet cover / cylinder or full length - looks like a OLD Leyland

Only marking I got is this on the pipe. And the 6.6 kW punched marking on the starter

Yeah - can strip it - will you supply the gasket sets again.

Hello BLC

Perhaps Bedford of UK.

Ask your engine source, follow the trail back, perhaps.

Without actual part numbers it's difficult to pin down.

Who painted up the engine, because it looks very clean and 'newish".

Kind Regards....

Some years ago Allis Chalmers and Cummings diesel got together and built diesel generators. Looking again at your pictures again, I see a circle with the letter "c" inside the circle. I do remember seeing this on older Allis Chalmer tractors although the engine was gas powered. If I am not mistaken, the injection pump is designed after the caterpillar pumps at that time of build. I am still sitting on 1960 +- a few years. Where the fuel injection pump is connected to the engine, would otherwise be a small hydraulic pump for implement power to the 3 point hitch. Circle C would be a trade mark Id.

I have seen similar injector pump attachment in Volvo heavy trucks, used here in the states in the early '90s. Not sure who made the engines in those trucks though.

You might check with Scania or other european mfg.

Looks like an old reproduction of an Alis-chombers unit. I apologise for the spelling.