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Load Balanceing Valve

10/14/2008 7:20 PM

We are looking for a US version of a european load balanceing Valve

This goes in the brake line near the rear brakes, It is in a light duty pick-up.

What it does is sence the amount of load as the suspension compresses it allows more of the braking power to get to the rear wheels.


Looking for stateside sources.

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10/14/2008 9:44 PM

I replaced a rusted brake line on a Ford Taurus recently. It was about 2002. It had a "balencing valve" Why don't you try going to a junk yard, looking for one that will work for you. If you do not want to trust a junk yard item, select the design that you like, then buy a new one. Good luck.

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10/14/2008 10:04 PM

That is exactly what we are wanting to do,

But a quick search on Google didn't really show any out there.


And yes we do want new

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10/14/2008 10:36 PM

These parts are made for, or by the manufacturer of the vehicle. There is little or no aftermarket in these products. So you may have to modify a product from another vehicle.

There is an adjustable brake proportioning valve that is sold through automotive racing channels. (Try Summit, or Jegs) It lowers brake pressure between the master cylinder, and the breaking device it is installed near. If you have trouble locating either item, send dome details, and I will try to help.

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10/15/2008 8:07 AM

Thanks,

I'm currently waiting for the info, spec's from Europe. Till then was getting ready by hunting down possibnle prospects.

Again Thanks

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10/16/2008 5:46 AM

the 1st valve of this type i'm familiar with came on the MoPar 024 pickup. As has been mentioned earlier, this function has largely been taken up by the electronics in ABS; so i'd be looking for a donor from the '80's , maybe Subaru BRAT, VW Rabbit PU?

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10/16/2008 12:19 PM

Google didn't show any junk yards out there?

Try the yellow pages and look under Automotive, Parts, Used, Salvage. I guarantee there is a salvage lot somewhere in your town.

I love used... that's what the bumper sticker on my van says. Where else other than a salvage lot are you going to have a guarantee that, "Every part 100% genuine road tested"?

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10/15/2008 11:03 PM

What KIND of truck ? And why would you be searching for european sources ?

Ford Ranger small pickups use this system .

Can you repair the valve ? The valve itself usually is the last to go , the associated links and cables etc. are usually the culprit .

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10/16/2008 1:21 AM

While an employee of Daimler-Benz' North American distributor, I purchased a 280 SEL sedan that was equipped with an anti lock device that limited hydraulic pressure to the rear calipers. It was bolted solidly to the body. An arm rotating a proportioning valve was linked to a rear suspension member. There was not much anti-dive geometry built into the front suspensions and as the car braked hard, the rear would rise up as it tends to do.

DB's engineers developed this anti lock system in an attempt to keep the car headed straight, something not as likely if the rear wheels were sliding.

That was back in the early 70's.

I feel certain that the Parts Department of an MB dealer could find the part for you.

However, I'd sooner find an aftermarket replacement from another source or even a used one from a salvage yard as replacement parts for that make are costly.

Just so we are both clear about what you seek. This is NOT an ABS system you are referring to. There are no electronics, sensors, or pulsed valves used in what you are describing.

BTW, Anti-lock braking technology became quite common in domestically manufactured pickup trucks long ago to help normalize braking behavior under both heavy and light bed loads. You might find what you are looking for at a Ford or Chevy truck dealer, they being the most popular.

Good luck!

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10/16/2008 8:08 AM

You have it exactly right here, It as the load weight shifts it takes away braking power from the rear ones so they do not lock up.

If you have a heavy load in the back and the suspention stays compressed due to the weight, more braking power is allowed to the rear brakes.

A stone age anti lock system I guess you could call it.

We are in the process of bringing into the US a awesome little pickup truck. It's Ferench made, But the price is currentlty with all factors added in,, Like the wonderful dollar to euro convrsion and everything else you can think of when bringing something like this into the states. It's just the final price is just a bit too high for the market.

So we made an agreement with the original manufacturer to part it out as much as possible with local parts in an attempt to reduce the final cost.

So More or less we are coming up with a whole new BOM for this thing. And we are preferring to buy the parts here in the ststes, But thats not locked in.

If we can find a part from out of the country that stands out heads above the rest and it's still out of the country, so be it.

An example is a wiper motor.

The original costs us 34 bucks, single speed ON/OFF

similar American version, 43 bucks

Found an Italian one, also 34 bucks, BUT it's HIGH/LOW/Intermittent,

so no brainer which one we went with.

Take Care everyone!

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10/16/2008 9:15 AM

Make sure the Italian wiper motor also turns OFF...

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10/16/2008 11:15 AM

Sounds very much like what VW uses on their rear axles. I had to replace the brake proportioning valve on my '87 because good ol' corrosion locked it up solid. The replacement valve body is made out of aluminum. Good change. There is a heavy wire spring that attaches to the rear trailing arms that pulls on the valve giving more or less pressure to the rear brake cylinders depending on the suspension height (load). You might want to search on "brake proportioning valve" to get more hits. Check out the undercarriage on the V-dubs to see how it is arranged. You will have to fabricate some sort of mounting brackets and attachement points.

For just over $70, you can buy this

from this vendor in Arizona.

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nmqtnyi3ynp4dt55v0rigv55&makeid=800026@VW&modelid=1282924@JETTA%20&year=1987&cid=14@Brake%20%26%20Wheel%20Hub&gid=1888@Brake%20Proportioning%20Valve/Pressure%20Regulator

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10/16/2008 6:04 PM

Itralian electrics & moisture are often a bad combo...

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10/16/2008 6:36 PM

You must never have heard of Lucas.

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10/16/2008 7:10 PM

You mean "the Prince of Darkness"?; i have.

They seem to be in competition w/ Magneti-Marelli

sorry forgot to sign in on the 'moisture' joke

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10/16/2008 2:07 PM

Enter "brake proportioning valve" (including quotation marks) into Google and you'll have over 50,000 hits. Some Chysler-product minivans have a system very similar to the VW one someone mentioned (I had an '87 and an '89 GTi 16v, and have worked on those, plus several minivans).

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10/27/2008 5:06 AM

Be careful, these valves are specifically designed for the vehicle, its springing and suspension and weight. You cannot just throw "any-old" version in there and hope that it will work correctly!!

At best you will over-brake the rear wheels, promoting a rear wheel slide, or you will not send enough braking to the rear wheels and not stop as quickly as you should under load!!

If you have an accident, you may find that your insurance is null and invalid when parts have been built into the braking system that it was not designed for, even if it works correctly!!! Then you could have a multi million law suite on your hands......

Either way you are taking your life and the life of your passengers into danger....

Why be so cheap? go and buy the correct module for your vehicle!

To quote an old German saying, which I will of course translate for you into English:-

"He saves money no matter what it costs!"

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